Early Writings. “End of the 2300 Days”
[2nd paragraph]. Father was seated on throne of Table of Shewbread until Oct 22,
1844. Took a “flaming chariot into the holy of holies, within the veil.” and sat down.
Jesus was also sitting there, rose and moved. "A cloudy chariot, wheels of flaming
fire, took Jesus where the Father just went.
“He said to the waiting multitude – Wait here. I am going to My Father to receive the
Kingdom. Keep your garments spotless. In a little while I will return from the wedding
and receive you to Myself.” Ellen saw Jesus with a garment that had tiny bells and
pomegranates on the hem of the garment.
Last paragraph – The company who hadn’t moved and did not know Jesus has moved.
"Satan appeared to be by the throne [table of shewbread] trying to carry out the work of
God. Satan breathed an unholy influence on them – was light and power, but no sweet
love, joy, peace. [pg 56, 2000 edition]
“The Sanctuary” There are doors in the sanctuary [besides the curtain] that are opened and
closed. Jesus clothed in special garments [why???] Robe with bells, pomegranates. A
breastplate suspended from His shoulders. A crown on His head. “Surrounded by angels,
and in a flaming chariot He passed within the SECOND VEIL.
Next paragraph describes items in that room – candlesticks, shewbread table, altar and
censor, The veil was lifted and could see the ark. In the ark TABLES OF STONE CONTAINING
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS” Why stone???
Read the whole description. TOO much to place here [ppg 250-253]
But…, regarding reading the whole description,
- I have no interest in reading those fantastic fantasies again (been there, done that several times in the remote past) and,
- I no longer have “the boox!” I gave them away when IO moved from Brazil to the US, and then I had absolutely no reason or interest in spending money on those “boox” again.
Therefore, I can’t read it…
I know where you’re coming from.
I had posted a paraphrase from my S.S. class which is beginning the Hebrews.
Just wanted to document it. As I had read it as a kid. Then took Hebrews in
college which didn’t consult Ellen or the SDA Commentaries.
Recently, I have been wondering if the things said in Hebrews about heaven
and where Jesus and the Father ARE, is actual, or just representative so the
Jews to whom being written would understand better as they were familiar with
all the symbolisms and the actual Wilderness and Jerusalem Temples.
John at the end of Revelation provides a different picture than what he does in
the first few chapters of his book. As John is writing to both Gentiles and Jews
[the diaspora] of Turkey and beyond, and eventually the Western churches.
Steve, interesting input. I always thought about the symbolism that God needed to utilize in communicating with humans due to the limitation of our brains. Wherever the Divinity is, I can’t imagine them in a building. Actually, John said that in his vision he didn’t see a temple in Heaven. Which makes sense.
Now, Hebrews is not about literal temple or not, it’s about what happened in Jesus’ activity as our High Priest - a position he conquered at the moment of His resurrection. At that moment He was inaugurated as a victorious HP who then entered back into the Divinity realm, at that very moment not 1800 years later.
There was no reason for Him to be demoted after being enthroned as HP. Jesus said, “It’s finished,” not “almost finished.” Therefore, there was no way back! Only the SDAs needed a crutch after the 1844 fiasco and the pressure of their exacerbated pride.
When one reads about Jesus’ last trip to Jerusalem He had much to say.
He said the Father would choose who would be on the right and on the
left when He came into His Kingdom. And emphasized that with asking
the 2 disciples if they “could drink His cup with Him.”
As one goes on to the end of the story, we find the 2 “thieves” on His
right and left. It is Finished! completed His task, reason for His journey
with us. Sunday He visited the Father in person.
The story seems to indicate Jesus Christ received the Kingdom that
week-end. Not having to wait 1844 years.
Like you, the majority of SDAs are NOT Pastors. So are allowed to
interpret Scripture as the Spirit seems to give insight.
I will probably regret responding to you. But here goes.
You passed judgment on my “reason” for not providing Scripture calling it “fake”
You don’t know that at all. It was a put down judgment, in my opinion.
Calling it “fake” doesn’t make it any less real to me.
So lets see what happens when I present some Scripture regarding a “shaking” or sifting or separating of his wheat from the tares that will happen at the end of time.
2 Thes. 2:1-3 “a falling away…”
1 Tim. 4:1 “…some will depart from the faith…”
Amos 9:9 “…I will sift the house of Israel…”
Luke 22:31-32 talks about Peter being sifted by Satan
Read them in context and see what you think.
And this quote from a source you won’t acknowledge as inspired but I do.
“In later years I have been shown that the false theories advanced in the past have by no means been given up. As favorable opportunities come, they will have a resurrection. Let us not forget that everything is to be shaken that can be shaken. The enemy will be successful in overthrowing the faith of some, but those who are true to principle will not be shaken. They will stand firm amid trial and temptation. The Lord has pointed out these errors; and those who do not discern where Satan has come in, will continue to be led in false paths. Jesus bids us be watchful, and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die.” Last Day Events, p. 111
And there are others.
I will probably regret responding to you. But here goes anyway.
Your post above (#66) is supposedly the “Biblical proof” for your prior statement that read,
Pretending that the verses you provided are the biblical proof of “and it is happening now” is nothing but baffling.
How can one make a connection between what you stated and the “biblical proof” you offered? There is none!
Yes, now I actually do regret responding, because it was just a waste of time again. But it will not happen again…
Perhaps God is shaking out those with biases against all His children; those who try to control whose mouths can preach the Gospel or be blessed with certain gifts from God.
No worries. He already presented his “biblical proof.” That was already “it!”…
None of these proof texts (I cringe at proof texts) appear to have to do with the end of the age, the start of another, the end of time, or some similar future event:
2 Thes. 2:1-3:
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
This does not appear to have anything to do with some sort of future ‘shaking’. It’s Paul telling the Thessalonians that teachings they have heard in Paul’s name, probably form his rivals, are not authentic. He was warning against what he viewed as a heretical teaching that “the day of the Lord has already come”.
1 Tim. 4:1 (to 5, the complete thought)
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
Well, Timothy is a forgery written in Paul’s name - he didn’t write it. In any case this has nothing to do with some sort of ‘shaking’. “Paul” is refuting teachers who continue to teach that Christians should follow the law, follow things like Kosher food rules. These sorts of statements also appear several times in Paul’s authentic works.
Israel to Be Destroyed
“For I will give the command,
and I will shake the people of Israel
among all the nations
as grain is shaken in a sieve,
and not a pebble will reach the ground.
Amos is not talking about our future. It is one of the minor prophets warning of Israel’s future destruction and then restoration. It is one of many such predictions in the old testament, a standard theme among the minor prophets.
Luke 22:31-32 (to 34, a more complete thought)
31 “Simon, Simon [a.k.a. Simon Peter, or Peter], Satan has asked [or pleaded or begged or demanded] to sift all of you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.” 33 But he replied, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.” 34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.”
The word sift here means to prove by trials, to winnow, or to riddle. The phrase “all of you” is translated from the word “hymas” and is a singular personal pronoun directed at Peter. The passage applies only to Simon Peter. Jesus indicates Peter will stumble, but in the end he will not fail with the phrase “when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers”.
The passage might better be translated:
Jesus said to Peter, the Adversary has begged to be able to test you, all of your being, that you might lose your faith, but I have prayed for you that your faith will not fail, and it will not. Share what you learn of the experience with your brothers.
Maybe @kalfoof posted those passages to impress some unwarry fast readers who trust but do not verify.
Well, I lament to inform him that some of us DO verify. This is how we find “fake proofs.”
Thanks, Tim, for taking the time and even posting the verses that he provided, and your comments as well. I didn’t have the time (stomach) for doing that. I am busy, reading Wycliffe’s bio.
Yep. A.k.a Most Adventists.
You’re welcome! I find it quite refreshing to figure out what the bible actually says, not what it might be construed to say at a superficial level.
Hah, remember Kevin Paulson’s postings? Trying to always convince us that what was written was not actually written, what was said was not actually said!
This guy is using the “Paulson Maneuver”… He appears unaware that we are specialists in disarming grenades that were never armed…
I wonder where is @elmer_cupino… His input on this is a must!..
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