Adventists and the Wall

(Patrick Travis) #103

But Trump uses his own money for personal use and not the taxpayers.
That’s one BIG difference.

(James ) #104

George, we did say earlier that we would like to be Presidents but there is a bigger job in God’s kingdom to do so I’ll leave that corruptible for the politicians and focus on Jesus instead. Lesson from Jesus: The disciples like some in our churches are complicit with today’s politicians and some are still looking for earthly power. The closer that people sit to earthly kings, the more powerful and respected they trumped up. James and John (James and George) as we were earlier thinking of perhaps our own share of earthly glory, lets remember Mark 10:35-45? it is so relevant today. Jesus said to James and John “whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Conclusion. It was the church in Laodicea that receives the promise in Revelation 3:21. Jesus said “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne” It appears then that there is room on God’s throne for those who are victorious. Blessings

(C. Evans) #105

It great Trump does that but who cares if she uses taxpayer dollars. It’s not enough money to care about. Plus the republicans do the same stuff. They were all over the map during the Obama administration. The late John McCain was a frequent flyer

(Ronald G. White) #106

Really, isn’t that a cop-out? Every one of us has an influence. If we are not a part of the solution – by at least speaking up for the oppressed immigrant – then we are part of the problem. And yes, Jesus will notice.


It’s actually “No Trump, Ever”

(EdZirkwitz) #108

Thankyou for the effort you took in writing this piece. A good reminder to be compassionate. Unfortunately the “wall” has become a political symbol distracting so many from reality. The USA is far different from what it was in 1875 when the Statute of Liberty was built. Today, worldwide practically everyone participates in some way to the destruction of our physical planet and causing harm to others in some way shape or form. We need to examine our own attitudes and behaviours. Most people actually don’t want to come to the USA. The elimination of the causes would easily resolve the “wall” issues; it just represents the symptoms of what is going on in our broader global societies. If governments, corporations, banks, religious organizations, war mongering organizations were to become less corrupt and less self-seeking the world would be a better place. By relieving suffering AND addressing causes I believe we can all make the world a better place.

(Lincoln Dunstan) #109

I am an Australian.
Please excuse my irreverence.
Just get over bleating about your President!! Get over it!! We are ALL sick and tired of hearing of his latest tweet etc.
God only help had Hillary ended up in the White House…then you would have something to whinge about. I have NEVER ever heard of “any good thing out of Little Rock, Arkansaw”!!!

(Tom Loop) #110

Thank-you for revealing that Nancy Pelosi has a wall around her estate. She and the Dems are the worst hypocrits. I am tired of those of us who support Trump’s border wall being characterized as somehow turning a deaf ear to Christian values of love and support for our fellow man. I suppose next, God will be accused of being immoral because there is a wall around the New Jerusalem.

(Patrick Travis) #111

It also has gates as entry points. The passport says “Jesus’ sheep.” Jn.10. That’s also objectionable and offensive because it is exclusive…oh, well. :slight_smile:

(James ) #112

Patrick, I was going to wait until after the Sabbath to chime in but the Bible said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Your gate/wall solution is way off. No comparison to New Jerusalem here. The walls and doors of Jerusalem will not be built to keep out illegals. lol …When John was shown the New Jerusalem, in the 1st century it was described to him the way John understood a city with walls and gates. We also use doors and walls for other meanings in the Bible like God will open and close doors… wall of separation etc… also what then is the gates built for in New Jerusalem for…who what then are those outside the wall? The last three verses of chapter 21 gives us the answer: “On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it…… only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life” (Revelation 21:25-27). The city’s gates in the wall will never be shut. It is not that outside of the New Jerusalem, unsaved or illegals are still roaming around, but this pictures a city with open gates on a new earth where believers will dwell throughout eternity. Revelation seems to picture a great amount of activity coming and going from the city, but all who go in and out are those redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

(Patrick Travis) #113

It wasn’t my purpose to be an exact representation. But, you will notice in vs. 27 it symbolically keeps out evil and all but those but followers of the lamb.
Some have suggested OT Israel was open, heaven will be open and thus our borders should be open. It is immoral to do otherwise…not so.


Do you believe that evil will be able to access the Holy Places of the hereafter?

(Thomas J Zwemer) #116

I might add, Trump should read Frost on walls or fences.[quote=“cheitojr, post:3, topic:17744”]


Indeed he should. Can you imagine such a thing? The one who rejects briefings and reading…

(Patrick Travis) #118

Obviously not. This is a symbolic view of the New Jerusalem after judgment and destruction of the wicked…those kept out from entry because they would not repent. Jn.3: 16-21.
Only those in the lamb’s book of life are there.


What does this mean, “symbolic view”?

(Patrick Travis) #120

In Literature, what does symbolism mean to you?

Symbolism is the use of symbols to signify ideas and qualities, by giving them symbolic meanings that are different from their literal sense. Symbolism can take different forms. Generally, it is an object representing another, to give an entirely different meaning that is much deeper and more significant.<<

Here the battle is over…the City and it’s occupants secure from those things that once plagued them, safe in the King & Lamb…


(Patrick Travis) #121

Unfortunately Tom, Poets and preachers seldom do good as leaders, especially secular, that have to deal with the difficult realities of the human condition. Hope all is well in Augusta…time is fleeting in the present order, isn’t it.

(Sirje) #122

You do realize this is tongue in cheek… However, it is macabre to watch all these people struggling across Mexico with reporters embedded in the crowds.

It boils down to either put up or shut up. If we want open borders we might as well help them get there; but you do realize that would empty out most of these socialist havens, placing them all in California - or, Colorado, and for the even more adventuresome, Bernie’s Vermont.

This is a political chess game - with no responsible adults in the room, playing with people’s lives. That goes for Pelosi, as well, who is giddy with her old job back, and having a good time.


We have never had “open borders.” That is a consumate lie.

As one who has crossed the border many times, I find the administration’s treatment of those seeking refuge appalling.

It is not Godly, Christian, or Jesus-like to take away children from their parents at entomb them in prison/caves. No matter who did what in previous times, this initiative is evil and makes me ashamed to be an American.