An Explanation of the Father and the Son through Parenting

As I talk to more and more Seventh-day Adventists lately, it has become increasingly apparent how deeply headship theology has infiltrated the church. Many fail to understand questions such as:

“How can Christ be both God and human?”

“How can He be the same as the Father, and yet say ‘your will be done’?”

“How can the Son not be beneath the Father if He is ‘sent’?”

It is for this reason I was prompted to try to answer these concepts and questions. However, before going into an explanation, I think it is critical to first of all acknowledge there is a difference between Christ before He came to Earth, Christ as He was on Earth, and Christ as He will be in heaven. Secondly, it is important to not bring any of the human concepts of hierarchy that we associate with gender, parenting, and children into the discussion.

My wife and I are the parents of three children. WE are BOTH parents and to them my voice is her voice and her voice is my voice; there is no difference. When she speaks to them all that can be said is “Amen” — which translates to “let it be so” — and when I speak to them well... so shall it be done. This is possible because we are of one mind, one purpose, one substance, and one authority — Parenthood. That is our power and our authority.

Now, within that power and authority there is the freedom for us to express ourselves and give guidance to the children in our own ways that reflect our personality and characters, but none of these differences can remove, nullify, or negate the source of that authority and power, and none of us wields more than the other. An example of this would be I might come and see the children watching TV and I might want them to go outside and play, which as every parent knows is code for “I need a break!,” but they will say to me, “But Mommy said we can watch this,” to which my response is simply to say, “Ok,” and leave the room. There are two points to draw from this:

1) I do not have the authority to override my wife, nor do I have any inclination or desire to undermine her position, and the reverse of this is also true.

2) Notice how my will has now become my wife’s will, not through any exertion of influence of power, but through choice that my wife knows what she is doing.

This is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Heaven. All have equal say and authority, with none superseding or undermining the other. Where the Father speaks let the people say Amen. When the Son speaks so shall it be done.

How could the Father have sent Him if they have the same authority?

Well there is an irony in using parenthood to explain the Trinity, when the titles of Father and Son conjure up images of authority and position. I shall do my best to explain it but it is important to remember that the titles “Father” and “Son” do not exist before Christ comes to Earth.

So imagine, if you will, one morning my wife and I wake up and one of our children is sick and needs some medicine. We discuss what to do and she asks me to go to the pharmacy and get the medicine. I have the ability to say no, and at which point, knowing my wife, she will get up, go out, and get it herself. She is that kind of person. However, let’s just say I get up, and go to get the medicine. When explaining to our six-year-old what is happening, my wife could very well legitimately say, “Mommy has sent Daddy to get some medicine for you.” And guess what, she has! But has that negated my ability to freely say “no” when we were discussing what to do? Was I forced, pressured, or coerced into going? Was any authority exerted over me in my decision to go to the pharmacy? And just as important, had I said “No,” would my wife have gone and done it herself? This is how the Son was “sent” by the Father; a plan was devised and a course of action set upon where the Father remained where He was, and the Son came to Earth.

So what about Christ on Earth? How is it possible that He could be subject to the Father’s will if He has the same power and authority as the Father?

Well, as a kept man, my wife goes out to work, and I am left at home. When she does so, she entrusts the care of the children to me, and by God’s grace when she returns I can safely present to her in one piece (mostly) three children who are fed, watered, and cleaned (mostly). In going out to work, she has not stopped being a parent — that authority still remains hers — but she acquiesces to my knowledge as I am the parent at home with them. I have the final say on the day-to-day running of their lives until she returns home and picks up that responsibility again. This occurs not because she has less authority than I do, but because when she is at work, from my position of being at home with them I have greater knowledge of what is going on at any given time than she does. However, what happens when she comes home? Do I still possess any greater insight than she does? Or now are we once again of the same position and authority?

Similarly, my wife at work is Christ on Earth. She is still fully parent, and yet for lack of a better word, not parenting as she has another role to play. (Although paying bills and putting food on the table is very much parenting, and it falls into a grey area called “adulthood.”) Christ on Earth gave up the authority He held in Heaven and left it up to the Father to decide and guide as to what was best, not because He was no longer God, but because He had another role to fulfil.

So when Christ says no man knows the hour of His return, how is this possible? Well, where was Christ? What capacity was he operating in? Was He the “parent at home,” or was He “the parent at work”?

A simple parenting analogy would be to say my wife goes to work in the morning and I decide that after school I am going to take the children to a play area. I pick up my phone, send her a text, “Gonna take the kids playground,” and then hey presto... off the children and I go. So now all my wife knows is that we have gone to the play area... and she has no idea what time we are coming back. But you know what she does know? That we ARE coming back. Now if my wife asked me for the information, would I share it with her? Certainly. But my wife trusts me to parent in the best interest of the children and also in line with who we are and what we decided together as parents. As a result she does not need to micromanage my parenting, especially when she is not there for the minute-by-minute, blow-by-blow aspects of my parenting.

Christ fully trusted the Father when He gave up His authority and came to Earth, and as such did not need to micromanage every detail regarding His second coming, but instead left it to someone who was in a better position to decide the what and when of His second coming whilst He got on with His role as sacrificial lamb.

Jeremy Storm is a father, student of theology, antagonist, and staunch advocate for equality of both race and gender.

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God in His wisdom created Eve from the side of Adam.

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I like that!!! We’ll put, it is still a mystery how they function, and I am sure we will never fully understand it. But what is true, GOD is GOD, in whatever function or form they present Themselves. We also have disadvantage of not seeing the creation of humanity, that is to mean Adam, to fully grasp why the one perfect created humanity needed a companion.

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There were some good points in this description. I would have liked to see a deeper meaning of the oneness that the Godhead has, but which is poorly reflected in us since sin has marred the image of God in man.

Since sin has made us less than intended, and we, living about six thousand years later again have degraded further, it does some injustice (in that it is entirely inadequate) to the oneness that the Godhead experiences when we use purely human analogies without reminding the reader that any such description falls miserably short of an adequate parallelism.

Some through the centuries, have grappled with the love of God, and having had to realize that God’s love as well as His character is so far beyond our scope to adequately describe, have come to the only solution to our lack, and said God’s love is indescribable. Meaning, try as we might, our best efforts, and our language, fall short of the height, depth, beauty, and majesty of God’s love. Without that picture firmly in our mind, husband and wife comparisons are but playing with oxymorons such as “same difference.”

It’s about on the same level of difference to some respect, that if I take a mouse and somehow give it the ability to choose between right and wrong to give it some measure of human similarity, and now observe their behavior and determine how our human husband/wife relationships can be equated with that creature.

(Just in case there are some feminists reading this, and are offended at the use of “man” in the sentence in the opening paragraph, it means mankind, or as Canada’s president wants it, “people kind” - poor fellow. It does not mean specifically the male gender only of a kind of creation.)

The description of the author has me curious. What does “antagonist” mean in this description? And being an advocate for equality often means more than what others think it means.

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…and the Holy Spirit…?

HA

It’s so sad to read articles like this, the fruit of liberalism and gender equality, maybe the author of this text will soon come with an article about God being she and not He, Gender Equality and Feminism, is destroying The Seventh Day Adventist Church, in our universities men are weak they are being feminized, they don’t act as a man should be, this is, in my opinion, something that is destroying the church, I have a lot of friends that are Southern Baptists and I am current in a Southern Baptist University, Man is being taught to act like man in the Baptist community, there are no female pastors and no gender issues, both genders have their roles very defined, so my suggestion to this author, is " Think and Write as a Man".

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As a brick and stone mason for 40 years, I know a thing or two about “manliness”, both real and imagined, and I have learned this. A real man lives his life however he sees fit and doesn’t give a d*mn what anyone thinks about that. Men with your attitude are why I prefer the company of women.

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Daniel,

I found your comments harsh, accusatory and demeaning. How do you know that Adventist “men are weak and being feminized”? That seems like a judgmental statement. May I remind you that Ellen White was a woman! Do you believe God chose her? Study further and I believe you will find that God does NOT have gender.

I also don’t agree that our church is being destroyed, as you propose. Why must all men act the same, or all women act the same? God has made us each unique! The Bible makes that clear:

1 Corinthians says: 14For the body does not consist of one part, but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.…

Thus the Bible teaches that we are to respect and accept differences in each other. God didn’t make just a head and feet, or just two arms! I find you attitude/views out of harmony with Scripture.

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Thanks, @danielgeorgia100.

You said:

In response:

How do you know that you’re right?

HA

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Correction – I know of a local Baptist Church that DOES have a Woman Pastor
on their pastoral team.
PS-- Daniel, during the school term I help at this Baptist church [450 members] to
conduct their Teaching English to non-English speakers 2 days a week.
I have attended Sunday services several times. Both times this Pastor spoke at the
11 o’clock service. I have also met her. She is a graduate of a recognized theological
seminary.

PS [again]-- Episcopalians have been having women pastors since 1972.
Back in the summer of 1964 on a trip through Mexico. In southern Mexico [we were going though on a Sunday evening] we stopped in this one small town. A service was being conducted.
I peeked through the window, there was a woman preaching to about 100 attendees.
NOTE- I believe SDAs HAVE been having Ordained pastors out in Southern California
and God has not struck anyone dead yet, or leprosy like God did Uzziah.

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I hope that this woman is in her right place, maybe coordinating the Fellowship Hall and potlucks, serious The problem is I am tired of seeing a church who is getting old in Leadership and women are trying to take the role of man, I hope that the SDA church doesn’t become similar to the Methodist Chruch or the Presbyterian Church. Yes I value Man Leadership, Cowboys rule.

Daniel, therein lies your problem, being “tired.” Perhaps you should step back, count one to ten backwards, reflect on your priorities and refuel. By doing so, you might raise your level of frustration just a tad higher.

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Daniel, do you believe in the Priesthood of ALL Believers and SDA Fundamental belief #14?

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I always find it puzzling to read of some people calling
others “judgmental”.
In doing so, are we (unwittingly) engaging in what we
have accused others of?
Consequently, in devaluing others we step on slippery
ground ourselves.
(Of course, this may be perceived as also including this
post.)

I don’t believe in Gender Equality, Men are men, women are women, cats are cats, that’s why we were created different, also we all have different roles that were assigned to each one of us, women trying to fulfill the role of men is not biblical. If you want to follow the word, you should know that.

Elmer I am not frustrated, I am just telling you what I believe, you don’t have to agree with me.

I don’t care if you think that my comments are harsh, accusatory and demeaning, and its not of your business to know what I believe and I don’t believe it.

Save your breath you guys. They’re rare in Spectrum comment threads, but I think what we have here is an honest-to-goodness troll. Leave him be to yell at the feminists and their feminized men from under his bridge.

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Thanks, Matt, that’s exactly me. LOL

So you do NOT believe in the Priesthood of ALL Believers? Or our church’s Fundamental Belief #14. Thanks for clarifying. That puts your discriminatory remarks into Co text.