Andrews University Prof Contract Ends After Conversion to Islam

Well, I have been scared of what I see every day in the news from around the world. Haven’t seen Christians doing any atrocities. No so with people related to Islam, since they are almost every day in the news…

You don’t have to be scared of me, I am not defending any group that has been militant in imposing their religion to others, or killing “infidels.”

But the way, saying that only the extremists are committing criminal acts against society is not a good argument. The problem is that when there is a major attack from the extremists, there has not been any major, significant manifestation from those who portray themselves as moderate or pacifists. Where is the Islamic campaigning machine that should be denouncing the atrocities? Making some statements after a tragedy does not appear to be much convincing of their pacifist position.

Obviously we disagree on this issue. Since I already stated my position very clearly, I will probably not write further replies to your comments since I respect your right to see things different than I do. And I honestly hope that, even being so dramatically disappointed at me, you will be equally generous in respecting my liberty to see things different than you do.


It appears that the Corporate version of Adventism is so busy proselytizing that it forgets to be Christian. Jesus would never have turned her away. What a loss.


Mr. George, I am sure you are a nice person. I must recommend that you choose your news carefully. What you hear on the media is not always accurate. I don’t believe that you will take my word for it but the atrocities you see on the news has nothing to do with Islam. I am not Muslim but I feel obligated to be honest and fair. Islam is a religion of peace. My dad is Muslim. My dad one of the most peaceful, honest, dignified man I ever met. My mom is also a Muslim. She taught me and my siblings to respect all religions.

Please do some homework and look at some credible sources and learn more about Islam.


Here’s a synopsis of her accomplishments and ambitions. I think she’ll easily find a position serve the Creator and his people:


With Andrews expecting more Muslim students will female students be allowed to wear the hijab? By accepting Muslim students there appears to be the willingness to accept Muslim students paying tuition, but rejecting a Muslim teacher with excellent academic qualifications solely on the basis of religious discrimination. As has been repeated several times, Adventists preach religious liberty and frequently call on the courts for special religious exemptions to practice their faith, expecting to receive special allowances for their belief. But are not willing to allow that same privilege to others.

Catholic schools are not so prejudiced and hire based on the academic qualifications of their faculty and to uphold their mission which is not discriminatory. I agree with the writer who wrote:

To accept Muslim and Buddhist students and yet dismiss a Muslim teacher solely because of her religious belief is contrary to all the freedom of religion for the
leaders of Andrews while denying that others should have that same freedom; with no previous acknowledgement of that religion UNTIL she began wearing the hijab is rank prejudice and discrimination solely on her personal religious beliefs, never taught or proselytized. For shame! It would be wonderful and ironic if LSU or LLUMC hired her.

Where is the ACLU? Are they aware of this? They should be.


Elaine, do you not believe that in a religious institution, there should be a different standard for professors as compared to students? I’m also a little disturbed that you mention “Muslim” and “Buddhist” in the same sentence.

The events of the past few years have caused me to rethink everything I ever believed about religious liberty, and I’ve come to the conclusion that Islam is a religion that should not be extended the same freedoms as other religions. Islam is the only religion today, that is perpetrating humanitarian atrocities in the name of their religion. And for those Muslims who claim this is just the “radical” elements, and that Islam is really a religion of peace, I agree with @GeorgeTichy - these people haven’t been nearly vocal enough in either condemning the atrocities, or helping us wage the battle against terrorism. So quite simply, they’re irrelevant - they don’t get to tell the rest of us what Islam is, and isn’t.

Too many Muslims have immigrated to countries such as Australia with no intention whatever, of contributing to our society. They abuse our welfare provisions, and are trying to turn our country into an Islamic state by stealth. An example of this is the halal certification rort. Hundreds of food product lines that could never be regarded as “haram” in any way, shape or form, still have to be “certified” as halal. This is done by various Islamic councils, for exorbitant fees. The rest of the consumers end up wearing this cost by way of higher prices at the check-out counters. And what happens to these funds? They’re used to build mosques, and to fund terrorism.

And as regards rorting our welfare system? Some recent statistics released in Australia reported that of 57 young men who had left Australia to fight with ISIL over the past few months, 55 were welfare recipients (they were receiving either disability or unemployment benefits.) And so many Muslims in Australia are on disability benefits - they just go to their local Muslim doctor, who signs all the necessary forms to declare them unable to work.

The thing that really proves the lie in the idea of Islam being a religion of peace, is the extraordinary amount of funding that ISIL has been able to draw on. Supposed “moderate” Muslims from around the world, have bankrolled ISIL. Religion of peace???


My first reaction to reading about Doctor Walton’s conversion to Islam, was:
“how can an educated western woman with graduate degrees
enter a religion that is so demeaning of women?”

But with our looming General Conference session,
intent on institutionalizimg Adventist women
as second class citizens, I felt that my reaction was untenable.

The Catholic Church canonizes the Virgin Mary and all other,
women are second class citizens.,
The Adventists place Ellen White on a pedestal,
and all other women are second class citizens.

However, the treatment and position of ALL women in Islam is ABYSMAL.
The wearing of the hijab or head scarf, is for me,
the ultimate stigma of their women’s second class status.

On a recent cruise, I spent a hot, sticky, humid day on the Greek
island of Santorini. Returning to the ship, I witnessed an almost collapsing
Islamic woman (a fellow passenger). swathed in floor length robes and heavy veil…
She had spent the day ashore and was at near collapse from the heat.
Her husband and adolescent sons were clad in tank tops and shorts,
befitting to the heat of the day. As we boarded the ship she was rushed
to the ship’s hospital with heat stroke.
The inequality of the comfortable garb of the men and her entirely
inappropriate garments made we wonder how the Islamic women
in the Middle East survive in the desert heat.

My Parisian friend, Roberta, told me about her trip,
with a group of French women to Teheran, Iran.
They asked the government appointed male guide:
“Why are you not wearing a tie?”
“In this heat?” he answered.
Well, the French women rejoined, “You make your
women wear those tight constricting head scarves”.
“Our women LOVE to wear the head scarves” he replied.
My Paris friend reported that on the return flight to
Paris, every Islamic woman was wearing a head scarf
on the departure from Teheran, but only three women
still had the scarf on when de-planing in Paris!
Showing how much they really loved that head dress!

In today’s Internet ease of freely accessing the history of the "prophet"
Mohammed, a war lord, who beheaded hundreds,
----thought to be the most violent man of the seventh century;
a polygamist with multiple wives, one of whom he married at age
six and comsummated the marriage at age nine
(today, we would label him a pedophile)
– it is easy to understand how one could be born into
Islam, but difficult to understand how an educated westernized
ethical person would want to convert and align him/herself with a religious
leader of such tarnished, tainted pedigree!


I had the same thoughts as I read the article. I was tempted to comment that her conversion appeared to be more related to cultural and community identity, rather than any deep conviction. But I thought some might regard this as judgmental on my part. Regardless, that was my impression.


I find this to be an extraordinary comment. Can you please answer the following:

  1. Were Saïd and Chérif Kouachi (the Charlie Hebdo shooters) Muslim? And was their motivation in the shootings related to their religion?

  2. Were Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (Boston Marathon bombers) Muslim? And were they motivated in their actions by their religious belief?

  3. Was Man Haron Monis (Sydney Lindt Cafe seige) Muslim? And were his actions related to his religion?

  4. Are the Islamic State militants Muslim? And isn’t the whole point of their campaign to gain control of parts of Northern Iraq and Syria, because they want to create an Islamic caliphate?

  5. Where do the Islamic State militants get their money and equipment from? Isn’t the only reason they can obtain resources, that they have supporters in the Islamic community around the world?

I could go on, but I’m sure you can see my point.

I’m not suggesting that all Muslims are violent - there are a vast number who are not. However to suggest that the atrocities have nothing to do with Islam is absurd - a significant minority see violent Jihad as their spiritual duty. And if peaceful Muslims are not prepared to challenge this, then at best they become irrelevant, and at worst, part of the problem.


I agree with your comments

Actually, the hijab refers to a covering or veil and applies to both men and women,.

‘khumur’ is the derivative for the scalf for a woman to cover her head and breasts in the presence of male non relatives. And the head covering only when in the presence of male relatives (bizarre!).

In addition to your whole comment, the problem I have with this, is that this is the sexualisation and objectification of women. It places the sexual identity of the woman at the forefront of any relationship with her.

Also it is offensive to me as a male. It means the women ‘who freely choose’ this covering think without it, I will be sexualy attracted to her and will have trouble control my urges,


Robert, let’s not turn a blind eye to Christian history… Crusades, inquisition, persecutions … you name it - all in the name of God and the Bible, motivated by strong Christian conviction.

Thus many critics suggest any religion (especially monotheistic) will create violence and extremism and call (in the wake of recent islamic atrocities) for the end of all religion … forgetting, of course, how the Enlightenment and subsequent French revolution turned quite blood thirsty as well, not to mention the rule of nazis and communism.

In other words - ideologies of any type - if not human nature itself - is the source of vicious thinking and behaviour. Islam is no exception - but not really all that special, let alone unique.

As to the Andrews University story … it is quite tragic for many reasons.


Sophia, welcome to the Spectrum discussion. Seems to me, that you are fairly new to this blog. Thank you for sharing from your personal experience. The idea of Spectrum is - as the name suggest - a wide spectrum of different opinions, preferably with some intellectual substance. George is one of the frequent posters - both learned as well as clear on his positions. For me he is a colleague and friend - but no, we don’t always agree - and that’s okay … I hope. :smirk:



No one would wish for you to “lash out” at any ignorant comment, or at the so called “insult or the vulgarity of author.” If your going to come here and label us with such titles then I would expect some evidence of this, rather than making these claims. There were 12 comments before you. I fail to see what your talking about. I read nothing but respectful comments and a unbiased article.

See, you believe by making such a statement, that this is some grand thing that we should be thankful for. But you would be very wrong. We believe Jesus is God.

There may be similarities in the Bible and the Quran. But the 2 major differences are monumental. The Quran teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross, and that He was only a man, a prophet, but a man nonetheless.

Jesus said “I am the truth.” They (the Bible and the Quran) do not reach “the same truth.”

Lets respect each others religions, and one another, being made in the imagine of God; and even work together when we can. But lets not insult one another by making claims that are simply not true, about the so called comments/article or what our Holy books actually teach.



I find such comments as this quite disturbing. And is probably one of the biggest stumbling blocks for dealing with this gigantic problem we have going on around the world. As long as people keep reminding us of what Christians did 1,000 years ago, nothing will ever move forward. Because it shuts down any serious dialog by making one side feel guilty, and ends up giving the other side justification to continue with mass murder.


By doing so we fall into the trap that exists in the Middle East. Isaac and Ishmael are still fighting, although Ishmael’s descendents are having a pretty intense family squabble right now, as well. And it should be remembered that just because a person claims to be a Christian, does not make them one. Professed Christians (remember all the killing in the name of God in northern Ireland?) often behave like unbelievers. It has always been that way. That is not the fault of Christianity, but stems from the fallen nature of man.


Oh, please; there is no comparison. I’m searching diligently among the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of SDA’s for the ones which prohibit women from driving cars; from going out into public without a male companion; the one which requires the “Hijab.” And, I fail to find anywhere where it stipulates that a female must be killed by her male relatives if she is raped.

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Why a Christian university should have to hire someone whose beliefs are out of harmony with Christianity, I have no idea. Why would Walmart hire managers who preferred K-Mart, or vice versa?


Because she’s no longer a Christian, never mind Adventist. How can someone whose beliefs are so different from those of Adventists nurture the family of God?’ She would bring in an element of confusion, and many would question the wisdom of the board if they retained her.


Yes, this is true Birder. But then much time would be wasted on debating whether they were Christians or not. Rather than the issue at hand. I’d rather just use the word “Christians” and move on with it.

Tony, disturbing it is indeed!
It reflects the arguments that are leveled at Christians - and and any religion for that matter!

If you think, a 1000 years are long gone and we should look forward - well, feel comforted that Islam is much younger than Christianity. Thus the current waves might pass in few hundred years. But if you need more recent history - how about Waco or to Rwanda? Just as we perceive Islam to be violent and aggressive, others depict Christianity as violent and vile - and similarly will find arguments.

Certainly you and I would agree that despite of Psalm 137:9 Christianity is a religion of peace. How must Muslims feel, who understand their religion as a religion of peace? Are you aware that Jews, Muslims and Christians peacefully co-existed and flourished next to each other in Europe for long time periods?

Perhaps we differ in our view on what opens dialogue. For me, acknowledging our own past - including its failures is a prerequisite for open dialogue (in Europe the end of WW II is celebrated these days - we are reminded of the atrocities, the horrors with the haunting words “never again”). Finger pointing, on the other hand, especially at large groups that need to be differentiated, I find less helpful.