Daniel’s Micro-code

It sits there as a gemstone waiting to be revealed in its hundred brilliant facets. It is perhaps Adventism’s best-kept secret. The statement should in fact be the central platform of our church. It defines the cornerstone of our salvation: “In Christ’s life of perfect obedience to God’s will, His suffering, death, and resurrection, God provided the only means of atonement for human sin, so that those who by faith accept this atonement may have eternal life…This perfect atonement…” etc. —Adventist Fundamentals No. 91

To appreciate the historical significance of these words we put with them our first Statement compiled by Uriah Smith in 1872. Referring to the work of atonement in 1844 it says "…which atonement, so far from being made on the cross, which was but the offering of the sacrifice, is the very last portion of his work as priest…"A Declaration of Fundamental Principles, p.3

The revised “Dallas” statement of 1980 was a sea-change, largely gone unnoticed. But a strategic question is what the statement does for Fundamental Belief number 24, that foundational doctrine of our church. What it does is remarkable. Number nine makes possible the peeling back of many layers of meaning to reveal a Sanctuary doctrine we can assertively take to the world. For truly, as we’ll see, our salvation lies within the Sanctuary.

Daniel’s time code of chapter 8:14 only becomes clear when we look through both ends of his telescope to obtain a macro and a micro view. In one we are given a long view of God’s salvation events reaching right down to end time. But in opting only for the long view we have missed the chapter’s context which provides the important setting upon which our Fundamental 24 is based: Calvary. We have also missed, as we will see, a most breathtaking insight into the whole plan of salvation.

The prelude to Daniel 8:14 sees the little horn power reaching up to the stars and host of heaven, pulling them down to be trampled upon. The language mirrors the actions of the great red dragon of Revelation 12:1-6 audaciously assaulting the very hosts of heaven and seeking the destruction of the boy child whose birth is so critical to messianic purpose. But the enemy stalking the heavens is finally thwarted, not by any earthly power, but by the very sacrifice he attempted to remove.

The very next words in verse 11 factor in the prince of the hosts, the one crucified under the authority of Rome. We are thus forced to look to Calvary for the fulfilment of these texts, a fact that becomes very clear in the words of chapter 9:24-27, seemingly the event to which 8:14 points.2

But it is in the instruction given to seal the words of 8:14 in verse 8:26 that the angel provides an even stronger correlation between the two passages, making it very clear that the verses of chapter 9 fulfil that of 8:14.3 The encrypted code tying 8:14 and 9:24 together reveals the only one who can fully cleanse, vindicate or restore the sanctuary to its rightful place.

Daniel’s choice of the words “evening and mornings” is significant. In verse 26 of chapter 8 it states that “the vision of the evening (ereb) and the morning (bokr) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days (yome).” Daniel knew the word for a full day (yome) but chose not to use it in verse 14. Though the expression “evening and morning” is used in Genesis 1, it is there referring to the dark and light part of the day, a 24-hour period. An “evening” and “morning” sacrifice on the other hand marks out two specific points of time within a day. Thus, just as we have made the prophecy to refer to days/years, it is also perfectly legitimate to employ a microscopic scale of 1,150 literal days which would contain 2,300 sacrifices. In fact, whenever the Hebrew word Tamid occurs with ereb-bokr, as it does in this case, it is always referring to the evening and morning sacrifices.

The code concealed so alluringly within Daniel’s words, is summoned at a vital time in the yardstick of salvation. The beginning of the seven years of Daniel 9:27 occurred in the autumn of the year of Christ’s baptism. We position the 2,300 evenings and mornings within the period in the same way that we confirm the starting date of the whole 70 weeks of years: by working backwards from the fulfilment. So, in like manner, we trace backwards by 1,150 days from the date of Christ’s death. What event 1,150 days out from Calvary would be the natural and obvious starting point of this period of time? Given its status and mystique, the commencement would have to be of some significance would it not? It was!

A few months after His baptism, Christ went up to Jerusalem for the Passover. Just prior to that He had gained attention at the feast of Cana where against His wishes He had performed His first miracle. “My time has not yet come,” He protested. Indeed, it hadn’t. For God’s divine countdown had not yet commenced. Months later when hearing of the imprisonment of John the Baptist, Christ was able to announce that His time had come (Mark 1:14). What made the difference? Daniel’s micro-time schedule! For it was at this visit to Jerusalem that an event occurred that was to reveal the modus operandi of Daniel 8:14. And what was that event? The cleansing of the temple in Jerusalem!4

The enormity of this symbolism is surpassed only by the announcement that followed, words that might well have galvanised the attention of a whole universe. Here for the first time while on earth Christ reveals His plan, prefigured in Daniel 8:14, as to how the sanctuary would cease to be trampled under foot and restored to its rightful place. He announces his forthcoming death and resurrection. In answer to the question “under what authority do you do these things [cleanse the temple],” He responds: “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up again.” Little horn power, great red dragon, all abomination of desolations, be on notice. Unto 2,300 evenings and mornings, all will be reconciled! The hot, searing focus of cosmic attention is enflaming this end-fabric of typology, and Daniel’s code unravels! It’s Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection that will bring cleansing, restoration and vindication to the sanctuary! “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, for the accuser of our brothers who accuses them before our God day and night has been hurled down. They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 12:10,11).

But the decoding of Daniel’s micro-time doesn’t stop there. The effect of Christ’s actions on the crowds busily preparing for the impending Passover, that other precursor of Daniel 9:24, the blood on the lintel, must have been most disruptive. But not so much as to drown out some words delivered in parenthesis which should have reverberated around the world. And those words? “The temple he spoke of was His body” (John 2:21).

We have little difficulty ascribing full meaning to those temporal representations of Christ depicted within the heavenly sanctuary such as the showbread, the candlesticks, and tables of stone. The words of John, however, leave us no halfway measure in determining real-time fulfilment of the antitype. When the ancient sinner confessed his wrongdoing upon the lamb, that lamb became desecrated with the penitent’s sin as it were, the result of which was its slaying. Forgiveness was granted then and there at the altar of burnt offering. In its antitypical counterpart when Christ agonised in Gethsemane “even unto death,” it was because at that point He was at ground-zero with humanity’s transgressions. The combined sins of a whole planet were being placed upon Him, which He then bore “in His body on the tree” (1 Peter 2:24). He, the perfect sinless man, became tarnished with our sins. “God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

“Unto 2,300 evenings and mornings shall the sanctuary be cleansed.” Let me be so bold as to ask: Which temple had to be cleansed of our sins?

After His death and resurrection when Christ had “provided purification [cleansing] for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven” (Heb 1:3). When He arose from the grave, did He take those sins with Him? Did He still have them in His body to pollute the realms of heaven? No! Just as the Old Testament sinner could say goodbye to his mistakes at the death of the lamb, so the sins of the penitent remain buried. Just as the blood at the altar was poured into the desert sand (Leviticus 4:30), so our sins were buried in the ground with Christ, never to be exhumed. “For the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:7).

The statement made to Christ’s detractors in John 2:21 was a bombshell. Could it be that all along it was not only the furnishings of the temple that represented Christ but the whole tabernacle itself? That just as Christ’s character could never be entombed in a box, or His Spirit within candlesticks made of pipes and wicks, so the far “greater things” of the heavenly sanctuary were actually embodied in a person and not a Lego set? We don’t have to guess. “The temple he spoke of was His body!”

The Sanctuary doctrine is meaningless, lifeless, and misleading if we don’t allow it to blossom in all 100% of its symbolism. The ancient sacrificial lamb represented characteristics that so powerfully prefigured Christ, how could we have missed the most critical of all? How could the restoration of Daniel 8:14 take place in any other way? His micro-code leaves us in no doubt. And right at the appointed time as accurately as is God’s astronomical clock, the countdown of the ages concluded. Salvation and God’s kingdom of grace were ushered in.

In describing the glory of the New Jerusalem descending from heaven, John the Revelator searches for something that had been the context of his whole writing: the heavenly temple. Try as he might, He sees no such structure dominating heaven’s skyline. He need not have looked. For no display model could possibly contain the fullness of the Godhead, no object surpass the real thing. There never was a building. “I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple” (Revelation 21:22).

There was a bystander taking in the events at the temple cleansing in Jerusalem. He secretly came to Christ and asked a question that unwittingly provided a final decoding of God’s master plan. In so many words Nicodemus asked: If You are the temple of salvation, how does one find the gateway to your dwelling place? Jesus replied: You must be born again of water and the Spirit. If you want to come to the kingdom you must die with me at Calvary. You must rise again with me, and through my body come within the veil (Hebrews 10:20).

Which brings us to Daniel’s maxi-time. Does the schedule outlined above accord with our own beliefs? Note carefully our position embedded in these quotations from Fundamental Belief number 24:

a) Atonement is Calvary based: “Christ ministers on our behalf… the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross.”

b) Purification (cleansing) is a Calvary event: “The heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus.”

c) Judgment is Calvary based: “In 1844 at the end of the prophetic period of 2,300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement.”

d) Judgment is “revelatory” rather than determinative, delivering a foregone conclusion: It “reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ… it also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him therefore are ready for translation.”

To assign salvation to our standing in Christ as we so do is to take on board all that is implicit in that term. There is not one thing more that can be achieved by the ministry of our high priest in heaven that is not already a reality in Him.5 Within the heavenly veil we are harboured by the one who “does not live in temples made with hands,” but is the one “in whom we live and move and have our being?” (Acts 17:24,28).

Amidst the cataclysmic convulsion of God’s Day of Judgment depicted in Revelation 11:18, a remarkable verse follows: “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within the temple was seen the ark of his covenant.” Daniel’s short view and his long view merge. Both his micro- and macro-prophecies come together within the heart of the Sanctuary. In God’s hour of judgment, man’s only refuge is to be found within the veil. That means nothing less than to be found “in Christ.” To be “within Christ” and “within the veil” mean exactly the same.

What an incredible Sanctuary message we can take to the world!


1. The statement reflects the words of Ellen White in the Review and Herald, September 24, 1901: “He [Christ] planted the cross between heaven and earth, and when the Father beheld the sacrifice of His Son, He bowed before it in recognition of its perfection. ‘It is enough,’ He said. ‘The atonement is complete.’”

2. The conditions in the run-up to verse 14 relate to the removal of the daily sacrifice, the demise of the sanctuary and of truth, of desolations, and the trampling underfoot of the hosts. Significantly these issues are also given attention in Daniel 9:24-27, specifically the bringing to an end of sacrifice, the anointing of the holy one (the prince of the hosts) and the abomination that desolates. The close correlation between Daniel 8:1-14, 16-27, and chapter 9:24-27 begs the conclusion that the latter enlarges upon, and indeed outlines the fulfilment of the former. (See SDA Commentary on Daniel 11:31 and Samuel Tregelles on Daniel 8:14.

3. Note the words of verse 26: “But seal up [satham] the vision [chazon] for it concerns the distant future.” Now come to 9:24 where we discover the same phrase: “to seal up [chatam] vision [chazon] and prophecy” The word satham in 8:26 suggests a sealing up of the vision, just as the text states. Chatam of 9:24 on the other hand infers a “confirming or ratifying” of the vision (SDA Commentary on 9:24). Jamieson Fausset and Brown is even more specific: “To give the seal of confirmation to the prophet and his vision by the fulfilment.” And note particularly the words of Horatius Bonar, with his reference back to 8:24: “To ‘seal vision and prophecy;’ that is, consummate, establish, fulfil, and complete them, settling them as true, and bringing to their end the things foreshown in them (8:24)” (The Quarterly Journal of Prophecy 1869 Volume XXI). Indeed, chatham would be out of character with the accompanying phrases if used in any way other than that of fulfilment.

4. The datum points for the calculations here used are the Passover events within the three-and-one-half years of Christ’s ministry. The 1,150 day starting point mentioned is predicated on the period of the four feasts extending over a longer time than a precise three years. It is important therefore to note the migratory nature of Passover dates, which enabled one commentator to put the date of this visit to Jerusalem at “more than three years” before his Crucifixion (Jamieson Fausset and Brown on Mark 14:57). Normally confined by adjustment to the Spring months of March/April, Passover dates can drift over a period of six or more weeks depending on a number of factors not the least being the timing of the barley harvest. Because of the Jewish lunar calendar’s non-alignment with the solar year, 30-day intercalary months were added which, along with the nomadic dates of the new moon, will explain how 1,150 days of lunar-based events could fall outside of 1,095 solar days (3 years) in the four-Passover cycle here involved. Insertions of the 30-day adjustments were at the discretion of the Sanhedrin being influenced in their decision “not by astronomic considerations alone, but also, in some measure, by the forwardness or backwardness of the season” (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. III, p. 158). This same source states that these 30-day insertions took place an average of “8 years out of every 19,” that is, a little over every two years. The historian Herodias referring to the similarly structured Greek lunar calendar, along with the Greek astronomer Geminus, confirm that a 30-day intercalary month was added every second new year to that calendar (EJ Bickerman, Chronology of the Ancient World. 1968. pp. 44-45). By applying the above indicators to the four Passovers in question (specifically using a combination of both seasonal and intercalary periods or incrementally thereof) we can arrive at the following result: 1,080 (360 x 3) plus 60 (30 x 2) plus an additional 3 days for the known lunar crescent date of AD 27 over that of AD 30 (and similarly for an AD 33 crucifixion), we have a total of 1,143 days, plus an additional few days for the fact that Christ went up to Jerusalem before the Passover (John 2:13). The result? 1,150 days!

5. We are a new creation in Him (2 Cor. 5:17); we triumph in Him (2 Cor. 2:14); we are clothed with His righteousness in Him (Gal. 3:27); are sanctified in Him (1 Cor. 1:2); given grace in Him (2 Tim. 1:9); experience freedom in Him (Gal. 2:4); have the promise of life (2 Tim. 1:1); presented perfect in Him (Col. 1:28); live a godly life (2 Tim. 13:12); have no condemnation (Rom. 8:1); are seated in heavenly realms in Him (Heb. 1:3).

*All Bible quotations in this article are from the New International Version unless otherwise indicated. All emphasis throughout are mine.

Kevin Ferris is Sabbath School Director at Springwood Adventist Church in Brisbane, Australia.

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Thanks for the photo of the Basilica de la Sacra Familia. That is also a gemstone “in its hundred brilliant facets.”


Article after article dissects Daniel. My question is this: What is the relevance/importance of Daniel to a Christian in the 21st century?

Adventists learned not to set times. Calamity after calamity has passed, many of which were considered to portend the end (“the last days”) — two World Wars, Hitler, etc. Yet Christ has not returned. Has “soon” become an inappropriate cry?

Many of us have learned that we are saved by grace. And, honestly, many, many Adventists know little or nothing about the “sanctuary doctrine”, or believe it is based on an unfortunate, insufficiently informed interpretation.


I agree that Adventism has let one obscure verse from Daniel dominate. I think Kevin has highlighted the beauty and simplicity of the sanctuary doctrine centred on the reality of all that God in Christ has accomplished for us. It’s all through Christ’s death on the cross, His resurrection and His daily ministry in our hearts. The true veil was rent. We enter boldly into the Holy of Holies, the very heart of God, through that veil, our crucified and risen Lord. That changes everything.

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Certainly if you spent any time in the SDA adult SS lesson this week, you would be hard pressed to answer that question. From its traditional view with twisted Scriptures and suppositions posing as facts, it did not meet the need of the soul.

Daniel 8 is specifically for the endtimes according to EGW (TM 112.3, 16MR 334.2).

It begins with the kings in Media and Persia. But not so fast. Daniel’s vision saw the ram “pushing” northward and southward, etc. So when the interpreters say “the horns ARE…” they forsake the vision and go to meddling. Based on the vision the text should say “the horns pushing toward…” Putting the interpretation in context of the vision, that would mean something to us today.

From a study of Daniel: This is what Daniel 8 means (and it is begins by understanding Daniel 7:17):

7:17 the 4 sea-beasts are ignored and Heaven explains that the endtime meaning of the prophecy relates to 4 kings from the earth. Rev 13 explains that the earth power is the USA

Thus, 4 kings from the earth are 4 American Presidents. They are Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. When the prophecy in Daniel 7 gets to Bush II, the prophecy in Revelation 13 transitions from the first beast (papacy) during the reign of the 7th head in the post 1929 healed papacy, Benedict XVI to the second beast from the prophetic earth that has duo horns.

Daniel 8:20-22 identifies horns as kings. The duo lamblike horns on the earth-beast are not Protestantism and Republicanism. Those are the characteristics of the horns not their symbolic meaning. The duo horns in Rev 13 are like the duo in Luke 10:1 when Jesus sent them out duo by “two and two.” Thus, the lamblike horns are 2 & 2 American Presidents: Bush II & Obama and Trump & Michael Pence.

Back to Dan 8. President Bush II and Obama are the horns on the ram that “pushed toward Media and Persia.” King Darius the Mede reigned in Babylon. King Cyrus was the Persian. Bush II pushed toward Iraq (Babylon…Saddam Hussein) and Obama pushed toward Iran (Persia…Iran nuclear deal).

When Trump was elected, he trampled Bush II and Obama’s legacy. He became the great horn that is to be broken. When Trump is broken the 4 notable ones in America are 1) Senate 2 House of Representatives, 3 Supreme court, and 4) executive branch. When Trump is broken, out of one of the executive branch of Government President Pence will arise. He will become the last little horn that waxes great toward Israel and toward the Prince of the hosts (all the way until Christ comes). More can and will be said about this after 2 April 2020.

Thus, the little time of Trouble has begun. COVID-19 is becoming a plague
and Stock market loosing 4000 points is less than 2 weeks

Remember Daniel 12:1 Michael stands.
Jesus stood in 1844 to confess the names of the dead saints before His father and His angels.
That was a partial fulfillment of prophecy but not the complete final fulfillment.
Michael stands again.
Michael stands to begin the Time of Trouble.

Let all read and understand the prophecies of this book, for we are now entering upon the time of trouble spoken of: “ *And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time…” [Daniel 12:1-4] (13MR 394.2).

The commencement of that time of trouble,” here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the “latter rain,” or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3).

And Michael (Jesus) stands to begin the 7 last plagues.

Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1).

But Jesus only stands once more at the end of the Investigative Judgment when it is done!

Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above. He lifts His hands and with a loud voice says, “It is done;” and all the angelic host lay off their crowns as He makes the solemn announcement: “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Revelation 22:11. Every case has been decided for life or death. Christ has made the atonement for His people and blotted out their sins. The number of His subjects is made up; “the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,” is about to be given to the heirs of salvation, and Jesus is to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords (GC 613.2).

Daniel 10:13 is endtime specific as well
It explains that Michael is “one of the chief princes”
The other chief prince in the endtime is Michael Pence.
It is Pence who stands to begins the Time of trouble
Shortly after that the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit brings the latter rain
Then Jesus stands to end the sin problem and the 7 last plagues climax.

The wise will understand
The people who reject knowledge will be destroyed
And the 666 Mark of the beast will accompany
the sealing of the saints and sealing the doom of the wicked

This is how Daniel 8 is relevant to 21st century Christians.

This material was gleaned from the book “The Last Trump Shall Sound: Michael stands, pub 2020”

Thanks Henry for such clarity. Just what troubled souls need at this time.

I am glad to have Kevin’s perspective however.



You are most welcome. God was able to tuck a lot into that little book of Daniel. Each time I read it, I get something more. As with many Scriptures, truth was there all the time, but wow!

There is nothing wrong with Kevin’s perspective. The problem for Laodicea is that it thinks that it has arrived and refuse to grow when knowledge increases. When Laodicea refuses knowledge, they refuse to follow Jesus and Laodicea become a bad taste in His mouth.

Stay close to Jesus and He will stay close to you.
Or refuse light…then when Jesus moves forward, be left in darkness.
It is not rocket science. In fact it is as old as naval science (Like as it was in Noah’s Day).

If you were a poor, broken soul, trying to find your way in Life (and there are many going to Church today in the SDA Church), would the description above give you any hope, and peace !!!.

Just remember your last day could be today !! are your ready ? in Who have you placed your Faith.

Working the details out of every nook and cranny of the earthly powers does not add one more day to your life here on this planet.

I prefer Kevin’s narrative as it ties all the threads of time together in the One being that gives us hope, joy and peace, JESUS ONLY !!!.



I notice that the comment is made in the article that tamid and ereb/boker when together always refers to the daily sacrifices. I have an issue in that they were never called the evening morning sacrifice, ever. They were always Morning Evening. A significant difference. The day began at sunset. The first sacrifice was the one in the morning, the evening was second, around the 9th hour and needed to be consumed by twilight. Daniel 8:14 does not referrence the daily sacrifices. In fact, the word sacrifice isn’t even in the text. The evening mornings of Daniel 8:14 are refering to the Jewish civil day of 24 hours that begins at sunset. It remains the same even when applying the apostelesmatic principle.

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So what is God’s temple, the Sanctuary? “The first tabernacle, built according to God’s directions, was indeed blessed of Him. The people thus were preparing themselves to worship in the temple not made with hands–a temple in the heavens. The stones of the Temple built by Solomon were all prepared at the quarry and then brought to the Temple site. They came together without the sound of ax or hammer. The timbers were also fitted in the forest. The furniture was likewise brought to this house all prepared for use. {3MR 231.3}
Even so, the mighty cleaver of truth has taken out a people from the quarry of the world and is fitting this people, who profess to be the children of God, for a place in His heavenly temple. We want the cleaver of truth to do its work for us. We are taken from the quarry of the world. The material must not be a dead substance but living souls, and these souls must be brought out of the quarry of the world, where the hand of God can fit them for the temple in heaven. We are here as probationers, and we must pass under the hand of God. All rough edges and rough surfaces must be removed and we must be stones fitted for the building. We are brought into church capacity with defects of character, but we must not retain them. We must be fitted and squared for the building. We must be “laborers together with God,” for we are "God’s husbandry, we are “God’s building.” In view of this we must see that our temple is not defiled with sin. We should be lively stones, not dead ones, but live ones that will reflect the image of Christ. We must be worshipers in spirit and in truth.“. {3MR 231.4}

Are you also saying that if we have the joy of Jesus in our hearts and are trying to decide where to send our kids to school, or if it is time to invest a large sum in a new home or to make a career decision like joining the army or focusing on saving souls…that Kevin’s narrative would be more helpful to prepare us to meet Jesus today?

Many who heard the preaching of Noah were not benefited by it. They did not want to hear the message that they needed most when they needed it most.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children ” cf Hosea 4:1-6

Many who went forth to meet the Bridegroom under the messages of the first and second angels, refused the third angel’s message, the last testing message to be given to the world (16MR 269.3).

Is the love of Jesus diminished by knowledge?

Hi Kevin,
You are to be congratulated for addressing this thorny subject, however I consider there are various aspects that deserve further consideration, some of which are presented below.

This exposition has its share of problems. Regarding the concept of Rome pagan and papal. History is very clear Constantine did not abandon the West, or give it to the Church, notwithstanding the fraudulent and now universally rejected claims made centuries later in the document known as “The Donation of Constantine.” The Scriptures, supported by history, reveal the Roman Empire ruled from 30 B.C. when the southern Greek kingdom fell, to 1453 A.D. when Eastern Rome fell to the Ottoman Turks. As it is generally accepted the Papacy ruled from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. these two great LH powers, Rome and the Papacy ruled their respective kingdoms concurrently for over 900 years. Furthermore if the Roman empire fell to the ten horn kings in 476 A.D. how do we explain the 1260 year prophecy beginning in 538 and ending in 1798 A.D.?

The sanctuary of Daniel 8:14 has always been an important lynchpin in Seventh-day Adventist identity. William Miller was followed by most early Seventh-day pioneers in noting that the word " sacrifice " found three times in the KJV rendering of Dan 8:11-13 was in italics, and hence not part of the original Hebrew. They translated the Hebrew hattāmîd (“the daily”) substantively as " the continuance ," suggesting that in vs. 13 " the continuance and the transgression of desolation " represented two phases of Roman practice, the first, i.e., " the abomination of desolation ," being the pagan phase, and the second, " the transgression of desolation ," being the Papal phase. The Roman Empire, the abomination of desolation, it was argued, attacked God’s people, crucified Christ, and destroyed the earthly temple, 8:9-11. Then in Dan 11:31 it was considered the taking away of the daily, and the setting up of " the abomination that maketh desolate, " applied to the Papacy. These understandings however do not prove the LH of 8:9 represents Rome, pagan and papal.

Regarding the daily. In the Old Testament, the word tāmîd is used in connection with various “continual” aspects of the sanctuary service. It is never used as one embodiment of evil that is a continuation of another embodiment. If a continuation of desolation were denoted in Dan 8, one would expect it to be linked with desolation in its first mention, not its third. The new understanding of the daily has introduced controversy and cost. The adoption of the daily applying to the “Papacy taking away Christ’s ministry in heaven,” required verse 11 to apply to the actions of the LH of 7:8, the Papacy, as opposed to actions associated with the LH of 8:9, the Roman empire. One thing is clear, if verse 11 applies to the actions of the Roman empire, then the daily of verse 11, whatever it represents was not taken away by the Papacy. Consequently the position that " sees the little horn power reaching up to the stars and host of heaven, pulling them down to be trampled upon," also stands or falls on whether it is Rome or the Papacy who is on the scene of action in verse 11.

It appears the counsel, “we have much to learn and much to unlearn,” applies to Daniel 8:9- 14 in particular.

I reread Kevin’s article and was blessed. Lord willing, I will reread it again latter today. The micro-points are a blessing as are the macro-points.

This article provides a beatiful new perspective that in addition to re-confirming the validity of the Historicist method of interpretation, provides new insights into why prophetic code is the gospel that should be preached in these later days, a gospel unto salvation.

Hi Kevin.
Your introduction, “It sits there as a gemstone waiting to be revealed in its hundred brilliant facets. It is perhaps Adventism’s best-kept secret,” hits the nail on the head. as Dr Goldstein’s response below to the questions; which of the four church teachings of Daniel 8:9-14 in the last forty years, and which of the three interpretations of FB 24 is the official church position, reveals

" As far as I know the church does not have an “official” position on the exact meaning of those verses, even though the role of Rome is pretty much foundational to our understanding of it. Generally, the pamphlet reflects church doctrine, church belief, so I would say that what you read in there, and in this quarter, reflect what we as a church believe ."

One thing that appears to be critical to the understanding of the sanctuary doctrine is whether verse 11 applies to the Roman empire or to the Papacy. If to Rome then the Papacy did not take away the daily in verse 11.

"For truly, as we’ll see, our salvation lies within the Sanctuary."

No, it does not. It lies in the fact that Jesus died and rose again. Adventism “invented” something that became one of it’s “novel” doctrines- which has nothing to do with salvation at all.


Some of the comments cause me to marvel at the religious gymnastics that Adventists go through trying to tie prophetic events to historical ones. I think the author, to some extent, is saying the same thing in a much more complex fashion. There is little doubt that Christ finished his work of salvation on the cross. It is also, somewhat absurd, to think that Jesus is pleading with God the father for the past 176 years, in an investigative sense, convincing His father that the blood from the crucifixion has paid for our sins. All the contrived explanations for every prophetic word in Daniel and Revelation isn’t going to draw us one step closer to the kingdom. Jesus saved the thief on the cross without any of the mental, emotional or religious contortions we SDA’s seem to put ourselves through. Salvation is simple. It is complete and it is in Christ’s substitution on the cross paying for our sins. Nothing more, nothing less. Just accept it.
I think that one of the most important things that the 1844 prophecy was responsible for was the beginning of the SDA movement. Although, I have never heard anyone say that. The awareness of nearness of the second coming is one of the fruits of that prophesy. Righteousness by faith came soon after in 1888. Although Huss and Luther were both very active in promoting that concept prior. The start of this movement in 1844 should have been the beginning of the process of understanding God’s plans for us. But, to cling to those original beliefs as if they are carved in stone are as detrimental to our faith as abandoning our beliefs altogether. If this movement ceases to grow and expand our understanding of God’s love for all of us and ceases to include everyone seeking a relationship with Him. If we stop recognizing that each seeker of God, regardless of what sinful past they came from and recognizing that they were sent by the Holy Spirit, then the church will die of its own self-importance. The church is like a shark, unless it keeps moving, it will die. This is the fear of what I am seeing in our present day.

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It is too bad that Uriah Smith, when writing his Daniel and
Revelation commentary did not have the Spirit of Prophecy

What is it about Oz, that there has been no dearth of theologians there who have dared turn the temple feng shui upside down lol?

Christ dying on Calvary is the Sacrifice.
Thus, Jesus became the Saviour of everyone in the world.
The Oblation is accepting Jesus as my personal Saviour.
If one stops at Calvary without Christ’s ministry in the Sanctuary,
the Salvation transaction is incomplete.
I have to accept the Sacrifice of Jesus and He has to confess that He has accepted me
in the presence of His Father and the holy angels.

That is why Daniel warns about the power that does away with the Sacrifice and oblation.

Both aspects are needed (Sacrifice and Oblation) to seal the deal!
Unless Jesus is my personal Saviour, He is nothing to me in spite of Calvary.