I’ve read a broad array of literature on this subject, and I disagree that the disparity statistics point to “structural racism” as opposed to pointing to effects of cyclical poverty and culture of violence in certain communities. I’ll dissect some of your claims just to give you a few examples where you attempt to derive “structural racism” by pointing to these statistical disparities.
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I will mention just a few data points. First, how is it that even though blacks have been shown to be no more prone to violence than whites (and are also less likely to be carrying a gun), are 2.5 times as likely to be shot by police? The only reasonable explanation, and one that is also backed up by psychological and sociological research, is that police inherently assume that blacks are more likely to be violent and to carry a gun. [/quote]
That’s an oversimplified approach that doesn’t take into account regional complexity of these issues. Let’s look at Ferguson issue, for example and the broader Saint Louis PD when it comes to what they should expect.
In 2017 there were 205 murder victims. 192 were black. 1 Hispanic, and 12 white. All but one of the 138 listed suspects were black.
You can move on to Chicago. 75% of murdered were black, 71% of offenders were black.
NYC 62% victims - 61% offenders.
Philadelphia 78% murder victims 80% offenders.
I could go on and on and on. The reason why race is an issue in police shooting statistics is because police have to deal with the above reality of black homicide in places where this kind of violence is an everyday reality.
I agree with someone like Ta-Nehisi Coates when he says that he conditions of the black communities drive gang and drug-related violence up. But, it doesn’t change the fact that police has to confront offenders in these communities that are violent.
You can’t merely stack up bunch of numbers without context and then decide that the numbers conclude that system is racist. It’s like following nurses around and recording what they eat, and then concluding that the nurses that eat most almonds have less risk of diabetes. 2D stats never make for studies that reflect in-depth reality … even in case of the stats that I cited. These are detached from everyday reality of people who have to live through a rather violent pockets of certain cultures. Stats seldom tell the whole story.
There’s nothing incorrect about assuming that there’s a potential danger to a police officer on duty when they deal with a potential suspect in a community where predominant violent crime offenders are identified with race X.
You seem to think that there’s some kind of “false bias” given the break down of the crime statistics in certain areas? Would you expect the police force and numbers reflect those statistics in those specific areas? Why would you assume that police force actions are racist given that crime statistics slants towards racial minorities in certain areas?
Could we make a prediction and confirm that the areas with crime committed by predominantly white population, police action and use of force would reflect these statistics?
Drug use is again one of the complex issues where numbers will not tell you the whole story. In short, the poor black communities quickly turned into war-zones between competitive drug gangs. And black leaders were calling for stricter penalties.
“When you send a few men to prison for life, someone’s going to pass the word down, 'It’s not too good over here. So instead of robbery and selling dope, (they’ll think) ‘I want to go to school and live a good life.’”
“While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill’s goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children.”
“I believe the crime bill … is part of the answer, and the crime bill should be supported by us. We do need to send a signal throughout our communities that certain types of activities will not be tolerated, that people will be held accountable and that if there is evil manifested by actions taken by individuals who choose to prey upon our residents that that evil will be responded to quickly and correctly.”
So, the war on drugs was predominately created as an attempt to solve the problem of drug-related gang violence in black communities. It wasn’t a creation of “racist judicial system”. It was something that the community leaders were calling for and were in agreement with, along with harsher punishment for specific drug offenses that were outlined.
Of course, in hindsight the disparity of the punishment becomes “racist”, and the narrative changed. It then became a conspiracy to fill jails with black people for federal funding and cheap labor.
The logic makes no sense.
You should look up any viable judicial stats like:
Out of 1000 roberries, 619 are reported to police, 167 lead to arrest, 37 get referred to a prosecutor, 22 lead to felony convictions, and only 20 serve time.
Does it mean that we live in a systemic roberry culture and system?
No. Because as a society we specifically outline laws against that behavior and most people don’t rob each other. But judicial process itself makes it difficult to enforce these laws, because we have to be really sure someone comited a crime before we lock them up for it.
Overall I don’t dispute that individuals hold racist attitudes. But the the system we have IS NOT racist. You can’t claim systemic racism without pointing to the explicit structure that outlines such a system. Otherwise you are corellating 2d stats and attributing disparity to racial bias.
Does NBA have racial bias? How about soccer?
Based on the logic you provide… these do.