End-Time Events and the Last Generation: An Interview with Dr. George Knight


(b l d) #143

To be a robotic non-thinking human that follows others (leaders/man-woman) is not what God created in humans, He created us with brains to think, to choose to reason. We should question those things that we do not agree with or see differently than our own thoughts and knowledge…Which is exactly what I am doing with GK’s book.

GK was an Adventist that could not become “perfect” so he decided that becoming perfect was impossible. If I would have given up after 6 years because of discouragement of not being perfect, I would not have come to the understanding that I now have, and to this day I do not believe that I am perfect. In my studies I have found that no person will ever come to the realization that they are “perfect” and if a person says they are, they would give up on the study and prayer that is constantly needed to achieve obedience to God. I mean, think about it…Why would a person choose to continually seek God if they thought they were perfect already? After all, it’s much easier to “live” in the world!!

The truth is in God’s word, the devil has thrown a lot of deception into the meaning of God’s word, and it has caused confusion in the world, there are many ways that the bible is translated and they are not all correct.

There will one day be a “loud cry” that will call all out of Babylon (confusion) that will be the final call, Jesus will stand up and say
(Rev 22:11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Probation is closed forever, just like the door of the ark…when the rains came they all wanted in but it was too late…What if I am right?? Do you want to be on the wrong side of the door? All I ask is that each person pray and study for themselves do not take what GK says or any human says or believes, in fact don’t believe me…study for yourself and don’t give up till you are satisfied that you have ALL truth.


(Tim Teichman) #144

What exactly does that mean to you, “perfect in Christ”?

The Noah who got blind drunk and then had sex with his daughters? That one?

Besides being near-impossible from a medical point of view…


(b l d) #145

Timteichman- Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

It’s not me saying this, it is what Moses wrote in Genesis. Noah, being human made mistakes and sinned just like we do, and just like we can, he confessed his sin before God (before the cross Noah had to sacrifice a lamb on an alter) and repented (stopped the sin he was doing) All of these story’s and examples in the bible are for us to learn from and to see how God worked in the lives of those of old and to show that He will forgive us just like He did Noah and that He will work the same in our lives if we are willing to submit our lives to our heavenly Father.

Being perfect in Christ is overcoming sin one sin at a time (sanctification) this is the work of a lifetime, a person can not just say “I’m not going to sin anymore” if they do, they are trying to overcome sin in their own power, It can not be done, I know I have tried…and in reading GK’s interview I suspect he to tried (for 6 yrs) if a person submits their will to God and leaves self behind, they can have victory, I know because this too I have done, the trick is to live a life connected to God every minute of every day, that’s where Satan comes in with his temptations trying to get us off track.
Don’t get me wrong God does not take all the sin in your life and just instantly get rid of it, and He does not show a person all of their sin at once, if He did it would be too overwhelming. It is living moment by moment connected to God, not to this world.


(Frank Peacham) #146

Good. There is much inspiring about EGW.

I wonder how many our our world-wide members are ready to completely follow the inspired advice of EGW? Her counsel to abstain from spicy foods would be very very difficult for Latin American Adventist, whom most enjoy hot foods. Spicy foods according to EGW, inflame the passions (sexual) desires. How about you? Do eat spicy foods?

Ellen G. White: The Progressive Years: 1862-1876 (vol. 2), p. 327.8 (Arthur L. White)
“It is to be noticed that butter, grease of all kinds, tea, coffee, spice, pepper, ginger, and nutmeg were wholly discarded in the cookery and were not in use on the tables.”

“Of these our benevolent heavenly Father says we may freely eat. Fruits, grains, and vegetables, prepared in a simple way, free from spice and grease of all kinds, make, with milk or cream, the most healthful diet.” DF 92

“…food prepared with spices, which have a tendency to excite the animal passions.” DF 231


(Frank Peacham) #147

Mrs. White’s inspired writing are a challenge for many SDA’s. I think that about 98% of SDA watch movies, love romance movies, and read works of fiction. How much of the news is faction? Even in our Academies, ABC’s and Colleges English LIterature classes teach fiction authors. How is it that we can honor EGW while we clearly disregard her inspiration in regard to works of fiction. Why doesn’t the church take a stand on these issues. Maybe EGW inspiration, some would suggest, has limits?

“Even fiction which contains no suggestion of impurity, and which may be intended to teach excellent principles, is harmful.” EGW

“There are articles of romance and fiction which contain no seeds that will bear good fruit.” EGW


#148

You’ve brought this up before and often quote commands from her writings.

As a teacher yourself, is this your view, too?? No fiction?


(Kevin H) #149

The phrase “Fiction” meant some specific things in Mrs. White’s day. Basically dime novels. It was a very poor level of writing. People such as Nathaniel Hawthorne and Hermon Melville and other great fiction writers wrote the same things about fiction that Mrs. White wrote. We have a different understanding of the word “fiction” and we end up rejecting books that Mrs. White saw it is fine for us to read, and end up reading books that she was warning us against.

There is much about what she was writing about that is different from what we understand it to be today. For example, Mrs. White wrote about the circus. At the time the circus was not seen as a family friendly place, but people like P. T. Barnum had worked to change the reasons why the churches were critical of the circus. Willie White was planning to bring his children to see Barnum’s show but so many members complained that they felt that it was best not to offend weaker breathern. (I came across one document in the White Estate vault but have not been able to verify it. However it said that Mrs. White and Barnum were friends and that he sponsored a number of her temperance lectures.)

She also wrote about Shakespeare. When we study the comments and context we find that a number of colleges were focused on learning Latin and the Greek writings with all their gods and paganism, and everything there is to know about Shakespeare. There was a movement to change higher education from that study into actually learning things for careers. Mrs. White was a part of that study. AUC was one of her reform schools. They moved Shakespeare from the focus of their education over into the English department and would have their Saturday night programs be Shakespeare plays. Yet we still find members using the Mrs. White quotes against any use of Shakespeare in any form what-so-ever. (Well, maybe we will find a memo from Stephen Haskell to the faculty and staff saying "Please make sure that when Mrs. White comes to visit this school that we get her a ticket on the first train out Saturday evening so that she does not discover that we are performing Shakespeare plays on Saturday nights.)


(George Tichy) #151

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@elmer_cupino


(George Tichy) #152

The clinic didn’t open YET, but, oh man, it’s becoming more and more imperative to run it there at the GC!!!
Parakeets busy again, telling me that the “Unity Committee” is having problems with, guess what? With unity!!!.. They can’t agree on what the “Unity Document” should actually state. It seems that they are looking for “unity” for others while they cannot find “unity” for themselves.
They definitely need some intervention asap!


(Tom Loop) #153

Yeah, and it quacks up.


(George Tichy) #154

Elmer,
Statements like this are usually considered “rebellious and satanic” by those who obey blindly to whatever other humans beings in position of authority tell them to do/think/feel/say.

I am happy you stopped short of asking about the plagiarism practiced by

This would have been evidence that you are now in a devastating state of rebellion. And if you declare yourself to be a “Sola Scriptura Adventist Christian,” man… this is a major apostasy! And just imagine what they may say about those who are actually Agnostic Adventists like me… :thinking:


(Elmer Cupino) #155

Definitely the HS is manifesting the obvious. Definitely, the Unity Committee is resisting the HS’s guidance.

My conclusion? Fire all the GC leadership. They are stifling the work of the HS.


(George Tichy) #156

This is really a very interesting reasoning:

  • People need to be perfect
  • People may already be perfect
  • People will/should not feel their own perfection
  • People who are perfect do not realize they are perfect
  • People who are perfect will keep trying to be perfect because they don’t know they are perfect

I never thought about it this way. Maybe because I am not perfect yet… Though I find this rationale a “little bit” intriguing… Which may be “perfectly” understandable by imperfect people… :upside_down_face:
@elmer_cupino


(George Tichy) #157

Back to Noah…, could it be that he was drinking and eating food with excessive spicy foods and the combination resulted in the ability to “perform?”… Maybe some viagratic plants??? :thinking: :roll_eyes: :roll_eyes:


(Elmer Cupino) #158

George, I called and asked for TW. The operator said “he” was in a “Unity Meeting” the past three hours. I guess the “Unity” commission cannot come to a unified conclusion. I wonder how Timo @Timo fared?


(Elmer Cupino) #159

Brother, you are hot, steaming and on a roll.


(Elmer Cupino) #160

Had EGW been more mentally sophisticated, she would not have said this NONSENSE. We now know that “articles of romance and fiction which contain no seeds that will bear good fruit” are for the purpose of mastering deep emotion and feelings in the same manner that cartoons, fairy tales, bible stories and regular play are necessary for children to master emerging emotions and feelings.

George @GeorgeTichy and Kim @cincerity do you find the same clinical data in your practices?

@flyer


(Tim Teichman) #161

Thanks for answering my question, but I still don’t know what this means. Do you mean you think that by trying hard in the proper way you can achieve actual sinlessness so that then you no longer require the grace provided by Jesus through his sacrifice?

If so, have you ever known of anyone to actually achieve such a state?

This sounds rather like the state of nirvana Buddhists seek to achieve, which is also elusive.


(Kade Wilkinson) #162

Been watching your conversation on LGT, and I still don’t “get” it. Here’s a quote from C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity. If this had been written by an SDA, would it be prima facie evidence that the author is a “LGT person?”

The command “Be ye perfect” is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command. He said (in the Bible) that we were “gods” and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him—for we can prevent Him, if we choose—He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creatures, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to Him perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for. Nothing less. He meant what he said. (Macmillan, 1952, p. 174)


(Elmer Cupino) #163

Kade, welcome back.

The critical component, as I understand, of SDA’s LGT is the fact that attaining “the character of Jesus” is the goal instead of the outcome of the relationship. The reason being once the possibility of attaining perfectness is articulated, there is no turning back, no matter what excuse there is.

Do I understand it right, Kevin @kevindpaulson