Freedom for All

In the US, and elsewhere where their as same sex marriage laws AFAIK, there is no requirement for clergy to perform a wedding that is against their religious beliefs. As far as celebrants are concerned in the US, if they offer a public service, many jurisdictions do not allow them to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. This is not true of all jurisdictions. Only those who include sexual orientation in their public accommodations and services anti-discrimination acts.

I cannot comprehend how Christians can celebrate and cheer for the paganization of our society, and its mores, customs and laws. I suppose I should qualify that comment by apologizing to historical pagans, who, as far as I am aware, never sanctioned such an abomination as “same-sex marriage.”

Marriage is an institution that society recognizes and legally regulates because it provides for the orderly conception, birth, rearing, educating, and socializing of the next generation of people. Marriage is about having children and having a future for the society. It takes two persons of the opposite sex to do that, so society has no interest in providing a very expensive legal system for the regulation of a system of “marriage” for two people of the same sex.

But that’s just the purely atheistic explanation of the institution of marriage and why it is rationally restricted to persons of the opposite sex. The religious reason is that God created them male and female and told them to be fruitful and multiply. “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall join to his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

To argue that this paganization of the culture will have only “a tangential effect on churches” is remarkably naive. Already we’re seeing that anyone who condemns homosexuality is being hounded out of any public sector or high-profile private sector employment. Lawsuits against the church will follow. The history of early Christianity in pagan Rome shows that the church does not exist in a pagan culture without being persecuted. History will repeat itself, as a neo-pagan America persecutes Bible-believing Christians.


On that we can agree, and I believe they made a big mistake when they started taking money from Big Brother. Not only did it show a lack of faith, it set the church up for future difficulties.


From an atheistic point of view, same sex “marriage” does not benefit the species. On the contrary, it interferes with the evolutionary process and should be eliminated.


Actually, George, there will have been a lot of discrimination on the part of the Godhead before anyone arrives in heaven. “Many are called, but few are chosen.”

Survival of humankind, or any animal for that matter does not require each individual to reproduce and never has. Evolution is actually driven by the principles that only some genes will be carried forward.

Quite ironic that you should use evolution to prop up your personal views since you have made it clear in the past that you don’t accept evolutionary science.

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Au contraire, mon frere! Would it not serve to clean and strengthen the species gene pool of humanity when all non-hetero persons are encouraged to couple among themselves rather than parenting children as happens so often when social norms enforce marriage between homosexuals and heterosexuals. You got some ‘spainin’ to do.

Trust the Process.


This fact has never stopped him before! lol

LOL…you have really outdone yourself this time (ridiculous statement category), Birder.

I don’t believe that this is much of an issue (SS marriage) in the atheist’s circles…just why would they possibly care?!?

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Well, Birder- for once we agree. When you take the money you gotta follow the rules…and those rules are a 2 edged sword for Adventists.

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Well, I can’t speak for them, but an author I read who is both gay and an atheist had this to say:

Gay marriage is stupid and offensive. It’s a grotesque mockery of traditional marriage and traditional religious values to the point of being completely Satanic. In fact, the High Priest of the Church of Satan was ahead of the curve on this. He’s been all for it for years. (I used to have friendly arguments with him and his wife about it, actually.)… The real net effect that gay marriage will have – that gay marriage is designed to have – on the general population is the further erosion and subversion of sex roles and gender norms.

Entire article here:

Saying that society has no interest in marriage of two people of the same gender, does not make it so. In fact, it is in societies interest to ensure all couple have legal protections because it creates stable homes, many raising children. This in turn creates a stable society. To exclude same sex couples is to put those people and their families in an unnecessary disadvantage. This also affects the future of society.

The legal system is already in place to provide legal protections, how does adding same sex couples create an expensive legal system?

Alarmist a little? ANYONE who condemns homosexuality?


David, just curious…just where did you obtain stats for this fact??
As far as I know, no such thing has been investigated on a state/governmental level or put to vote.

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And for every one of these opinions…there is another. Proves nothing.

Yes…this may be true.

Not alarmist…paranoia. :slight_smile:

What he has to say is vile and offensive. Not every gay atheist is a good person.

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Pago, I do agree with what you are saying in general. The issue arises when people have to choose between the “good” parts of their job and then don’t like the “bad”. No easy answers for every situation.

Put a big mark on today’s date on your calendar! It’s your "lucky day of 2015."
Because today you got one “like” from me! But I bet this is it for the whole year now… :slight_smile:

Yes, we agree on this one.

(Now you’ve gone and made him doubt his sanity. - website editor)

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Of course not. I never said as much. Indeed people (gay and straight, theists and atheists) are basically evil. But even evil people can be right, and even vile language can be truthful.