General Conference Meets with Union Presidents (and Timeline of Key Events Since San Antonio)

General Conference leaders met today with union conference presidents from within the North American Division. The meeting, convened by General Conference President Ted N. C. Wilson, is the first step in a five-part procedure the GC is characterizing as a process of reconciliation. The issue, the GC contends, is areas in which church entities “go it alone, and [do] not follow what has been agreed upon by the world church." Very little about today's meeting was disclosed in advance, but some union leaders called on their constituents to fast and pray and to "ask for the Holy Spirit’s presence and guidance" during the meeting. The GC has outlined five steps to be followed in dealing with perceived instances of policy non-compliance:

1. Listen and pray. 2. Establish a wider group to discuss the concern. This group—including lay people, pastors, and administrators from the entity and the broader Church. 3. Write pastoral letter that formalize the process "by reviewing previous discussions, outlining concerns, suggesting possible solutions, and encouraging compliance." 4. Listen and pray more (executive officers of the next higher organization are to “again meet with the executive officers and the governing body of the entity concerned to urge and encourage them to reconsider). 5. Ask  the General Conference Administrative Committee to recommend to the 2017 Annual Council procedural steps to be followed in the event that a resolution of the conflict is not achieved.

Today's informal meeting between the General Conference and union leaders represents the first of those steps.

Thomas Lemon has been given the task of leading the General Conference through the process. Lemon, a general vice president of the GC, and former union conference president for the Mid-America Union chairs the newly-appointed General Conference "Unity Oversight Committee" that consists of fourteen members. G. Alexander Bryant, the secretary of the North American Division and associate secretary for the General Conference, also brings representation from North America to the committee which is otherwise completely made up of General Conference officers and personnel.

The members are:
Lemon, Thomas, chair, general vice president of the General Conference
Ryan, Michael, vice-chair, assistant to the president of the General Conference
Moorooven, Hensley, secretary and an associate secretary of the GC
Doukmetzian, Karnik, legal advisor and chief counsel for the General Conference
Biaggi, Guillermo, vice president of the General Conference
Bryant, G Alexander, secretary of the North American Division and associate secretary of the General Conference
De los Santos, Abner, vice president of the General Conference
Finley, Mark, assistant to the General Conference president
Iseminger, Myron, undersecretary of the General Conference
Perez Schulz, Magdiel, assistant to the president of the General Conference
Wahlen, J Raymond, undertreasurer of the General Conference
Ng, GT, ex officio member, secretary of the General Conference
Prestol-Puesan, Juan, ex officio member, treasurer of the General Conference
Wilson, Ted, ex officio member, president of the General Conference

What follows is an overview of the key events following the General Conference vote at its 2015 Quinquennial Session in San Antonio not to allow the Adventist Church's thirteen division executive committees to make provision for the ordination of women to gospel ministry up through today's meeting. The timeline focuses particular attention on the General Conference's several iterations of its "Unity in Mission" document. The information below was first published in the current issue of Spectrum (Volume 44, Issue 4, Winter 2016), page 32 under the title "The Importance of the Backstory." -Ed

After the vote in San Antonio, at the 2015 General Conference Session, on whether or not to allow divisions to ordain women, there was a dramatic moment the next day when a woman delegate asked the General Conference President to clarify what had taken place. She had friends, she said, women in pastoral positions, who were being told that they could no longer hold their jobs. President Wilson reassured her that nothing had changed. Women would still hold the same positions that they did previously. And women have been serving in significantly growing numbers of pastoral positions ever since approval for women pastoral associates to perform baptisms and marriages was voted at the 1990 General Conference Session. While women had received approval to assume pastoral responsibilities, they had been denied the ordination title.

Then, at the 2015 Annual Council, there was an action voted which reiterated what Elder Wilson had said in San Antonio. In the document “An Appeal and Appreciation to All Church Entities and Members from the General Conference and Division Officers Regarding the 2015 General Conference Session Vote on Ordination” the role of women in the church was reaffirmed. “The vote taken in San Antonio does not change the church’s understanding of the role of women in the life, mission and practice of the church as supported by the Church Manual and outlined in General Conference and division working policies,” it read.

The following paragraphs in the document addressed “Moving Ahead Together in Mission.” There, in hindsight, is an indication that the changes envisioned by the Office of the President were with church entities, rather than dealing with individual women pastors. “We appeal to all entities to respect the decision by the world body in session since any unilateral and independent action contrary to the voted action paves the way for fracture and fragmentation. We urge all entities to work closely with world division administrations to ensure that all actions harmonize with voted policy to foster worldwide unity and our heavenly-entrusted mission.” What specifically that meant, however, was not discussed until this year when the General Conference President’s office began to draft documents and seek agreement from the various representatives of the General Conference and its divisions to discipline the unions that had voted to ordain women.

Summer 2016 – According to an Adventist Review story (posted October 11), Mike Ryan, assistant to the General Conference president, met with the Division Presidents in the summer and shared an early draft of the ideas that would later be spelled out in the “Unity in Mission: Procedures in Church Reconciliation” document.

August/September 2016 – The Office of Archives, Statistics, and Research did the research and drafting of the fifty-page paper titled “A Study of Church Governance and Unity” as well as the seventeen-page “Summary Document: A Study of Church Governance and Unity.”

Sunday, September 25 – An Adventist Review story announced “Church Governance and Unity to be Discussed at Annual Council.” General Conference Secretariat asked church leaders to consider two documents on the issue. The story said the two documents were posted on the Archives website, also on September 25. The story quoted GT Ng; “During Annual Council this year we plan to discuss how best to address divergence from the current policy.” Ng sent out the documents to delegates via email.

Tuesday, September 27 – In a meeting with the Division Presidents, General Conference President, Ted Wilson, handed out the document that Ryan had been writing. This draft “action” document was seven pages long and titled “Unity in Mission: Procedures in Church Reconciliation.” It outlined a way for the General Conference leadership to take over the unions that voted to ordain women. The Division Presidents approved the document to be taken to the next committee level—to the GCDO, a seventy-plus-member group of all the General Conference and Division Officers.

Thursday, September 29 – “General Conference Leadership Considers Takeover of Unions that Ordain Women” was the headline on Spectrum’s website, with a short report of the meeting earlier in the week (Tuesday) when Division presidents voted to recommend disciplining unions. It also noted that the GCDO vote was to take place the 29th.

Friday, September 30 – When the Spectrum story was updated, it was to note that the GCDO asked for a rewrite of the proposal to discipline unions. While at the General Conference work was focused on the procedures document from the President’s office, Adventists elsewhere were examining the lengthier documents on the Archives website and asking questions.

Faculty at the Seventh-day Adventist Seminary at Andrews University voted a statement saying, “We have serious concerns about the recent document ‘A Study of Church Governance and Unity’ released by the General Conference and its portrayal of the nature and authority of the church. Further discussion by the church at large on this important ecclesiological issue is needed before such a document is adopted.” (Spectrum).

Sunday, October 2 – The GC Secretariat Department staff, who prepare and compile all the documents for Annual Council, discussed with each other the document that was being revised. When they realized that they were unanimous in their non-support of the nuclear option being recommended, they asked for a meeting with their boss, G.T. Ng, who listened, agreed, and recommended the next step—sharing their concerns with General Conference President, Ted Wilson.

Monday, October 3 – Work began on revising the “Unity in Mission” document (according to October 11 Adventist Review story on the vote).

Tuesday, October 4 – The Adventist Church in Norway formally responded to the General Conference Unity Document with a document on their website. In their statement, the Norwegian Union Conference leaders said the GC document had a number of weaknesses and would likely contribute to a splitting of the church. “An attempt to coerce unions to comply with the General Conference Working Policy is likely to set in motion a series of uncontrollable and unpredictable events.” Further, the leaders said, considering only policy compliance is “a dangerous oversimplification based on pragmatic rather than moral and spiritual considerations. Those unions which have ordained female pastors or stopped ordaining altogether do so because they are convinced that the Bible tells them to treat men and women equally. Their decisions are not grounded in policy but in spiritual and moral obligation.”

The Loma Linda University School of Religion Faculty voted and announced their support for the Seminary Response to the Unity Document (Spectrum).

Wednesday, October 5 – “GC Proposes Year of Grace for Unions” (Spectrum). In their reworking of the procedural document at the General Conference, a more pastoral approach was being suggested. The GCDO was scheduled to meet the following day to consider a “pastoral action” that would propose giving the unions a year of grace and appeal to them to repent of their actions. If approved, the procedural document would go to Annual Council for consideration on Tuesday, October 11.

Wednesday, October 5 – The LEAD Conference opening marked the start of the Annual Council Meeting of the General Conference Executive Committee. This is the group that holds the power to initiate action between General Conference Sessions. It is a group of over 300 people, including all division officers, union conference presidents, lay and pastoral representatives from all divisions, and many of the General Conference staff. Adventist education was the focus of the LEAD conference this year, and it was declared worthy of becoming Fundamental Belief No. 29 (Adventist Review).

Thursday, October 6 – The Adventist Review provided clarification to their earlier story on the documents about “A Study of Governance and Unity”: “The first paragraph of this story has been updated to clarify that the two documents were not discussed by church leadership at the Annual Council but were meant to act as resource materials for an agenda topic to be considered by church leadership. The original paragraph said, 'General Conference Secretariat has released two documents about church governance and unity that are to be considered by church leadership at the Annual Council business meeting in October.’ It now reads: ‘General Conference Secretariat has released two documents about church governance and unity that are resource materials for an agenda topic to be considered by church leadership at the Annual Council business meeting in October.’” This clarification helps explain why the study documents were never discussed during the coming days. Only the “procedures” came to the Annual Council for consideration.

Friday, October 7 – “GC Outlines Proposed Plan of Action for Unions that Ordain Women” (Spectrum). The GC released the revised document on “Unity in Mission: Procedures in Church Reconciliation,” approved by the seventy-eight-member GCDO, on the evening of October 6. The revised document was now three pages, rather than the seven of the original action. It no longer included the “nuclear” action of taking over the unions. Instead it now recommended a two-step process of reconciliation. It called for “personal visits, open consultations, meetings, and forums for dialogue.” Pastoral letters, listening, and praying were key components. Then, its second recommendation was “To request the General Conference Administrative Committee to recommend to the 2017 Annual Council procedural steps to be followed in the event that a resolution of conflict is not achieved under procedures identified in recommendation 1. above.” It closed with the surprising statement, considering what the first two pages had listed, “Upon the approval of this document, even though the full process has not yet been fully identified and approved, entities are authorized to implement the process where there are matters of nonadherence regarding biblical principles as expressed in the Fundamental Beliefs, voted actions, or working policies of the Church and provide a report through the division, or in the case of a General Conference institution through the General Conference Administrative Committee, at the next Annual Council of the General Conference Executive Committee.”

Another document that gained significant attention that day was one written by Adventist historian George Knight on “The Role of Union Conferences in Relation to Higher Authorities.” It appeared on the Spectrum Website, and is included in Volume 44, Issue 4 (Winter 2016) of Spectrum on page 32.

Monday, October 10 – Walla Walla University School of Theology joined the other academic institutions in issuing a Statement on Church Governance and Unity (Spectrum).

Tuesday, October 11 – “Annual Council Approves Measure to Encourage Adherence to Church Policies: The vote took place after fifty delegates share their viewpoints.” (Adventist Review). The body voted the revised three-page document, “Unity in Mission: Procedures in Church Reconciliation,” by a vote of 169–122. The document “details steps on how to deal with SDA entities not adhering to voted actions of the Adventist world church.” Delegates received copies of the revised document as they filed into their seats. At the bottom it carried a 10/9/16 revision date even though the GCDO vote was on October 6. “The document calls for the GC Administrative Committee to draft a proposal on the next course of action and submit it to the 2017 Annual Council for approval.” Other details noted in the story include the count on delegates: 315 delegates to Annual Council, but a total of 291 delegates participated in the vote. Mike Ryan, who the Review article said was involved in the development of the document, suggested at the beginning of the discussion that the “Unity in Mission document was not about women’s ordination. Instead, he said, it was about making sure that all church entities followed world church policy. This, in turn, would keep the church united and help it fulfill its mission of spreading the gospel to the world.” Jir̆í Moskala, dean of the Seventh-day Adventist Seminary at Andrews University, called for a theological study of how policy relates to the church’s core doctrinal beliefs during the discussion.

Wednesday, October 12 – Response Statements were posted (Spectrum) from NAD, TED, and the Pacific Union. Dan Jackson sent an open letter to female pastors in NAD, saying that the GC “Unity in Mission” document “did not affect your status as a pastor.” Jackson reiterated that “the North American Division remains committed to empower[ing] and establish[ing] our women in pastoral ministry. We will not give up on this ideal and goal.”

Friday, October 14 – “Washington Adventist University Religion Department Responds to the Governance and Unity Document” (Spectrum story, October 25).

Wednesday, October 19 – Dan Jackson responded to the “Unity in Mission” vote in a video message released by NAD.

Thursday, October 27 – The Year End Meeting of NAD Executive Committee opened. In his president’s report, “Collaboration 2.0,” Dan Jackson focused on the mission of the division saying, “all are needed; all are wanted.” He made a point to congratulate Andrews University’s president Andrea Luxton, inaugurated on October 25. He noted NAD’s plan to bring many more women pastors into employment, calling it “well within” GC and NAD policies.

Friday, October 28 – The NAD Executive Committee spent over three hours discussing the GC “Unity in Mission” document. Jackson stated that the NAD will comply with GC directives and noted that despite what some GC leaders have said to the contrary, the issue in the document is clearly women’s ordination. Jackson noted that the GC will determine punishment for policy noncompliance by the 2017 Annual Council. He suggests that if another iteration of the document is drafted, distinction should be made between theology/ Scripture and policy. Jackson says he will not defend the document, but will appeal to the two unions that ordain women as he has been directed. Apologizing to union leaders, he stated that he would ask unions to revoke ordination of forty-four women and predicted “they will refuse.” He said he would vote against the “Unity in Mission” document “300 more times” if he could. The Adventist Church “is in a crisis” and because of the issue, the church “is hemorrhaging young people,” he said. NAD Secretary, G. Alexander Bryant, made the point that policy is “not on the same level as doctrine.” The majority of delegates spoke against the “Unity in Mission” document and in favor of ordaining women. Two delegates, both from Canada, voiced dissent. La Sierra University Student Association President, Nicqelle Godfrey, noting that La Sierra has a female provost, senior church pastor, and conference president, said, “You’re not going to convince my community that women should not be ordained.”

Friday, October 28 – La Sierra University President, Randal Wisbey, ended the NAD discussion of the “Unity in Mission” document with a motion requesting that the General Conference recognize the Southeastern California Conference President, Dr. Sandra Roberts: The attendees of the NAD Year-end Meeting respectfully request that the General Conference provide Elder Sandra Roberts, president of Southeastern California Conference, the same respect, rights and privileges of office as any other conference president in the North American Division who has been duly elected by an official and legal constituency meeting of that conference. This will include inclusion in the Seventh-day Adventist Yearbook as president of SECC and being provided with regular and official credentials at General Conference meetings, such as Annual Council, etc., the same as any other NAD conference president. The motion passed 141 yes, 32 no, 5 in abstention. With the vote, business ended for the day.

Sunday, October 30 – After the NAD’s Undertreasurer’s financial report, Douglas Pereira, a pastor in the Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference, who emigrated from Brazil, introduced a motion to lower the tithe sent by the NAD to the GC. He proposed that by 2020, the NAD reduce remittances to the GC to 2 percent of tithe income, as is the case for other divisions. He stated that the current remittance rate of 5.8 percent hampers the mission of the NAD in places like his district in Canada and asked delegates to “send a clear signal” to the GC. NAD President Jackson responded sympathetically to the motion, and citing “culture wars,” noted that other division presidents inappropriately fundraising for their projects within NAD “must stop.” Jackson then discouraged delegates from voting the motion, saying the removal of approximately $45–$50M from the GC budget would “severely damage” the mission of the world church. Alex Bryant pointed out that an incremental reduction of the rate is already underway, but stated that it is not enough—it must be re-negotiated. Pereira’s motion was tabled, pending a report of the NAD Governance Committee.

Monday, October 31 – With less than ten minutes before lunch break, NAD YEM reconsidered Pereira’s motion. Several delegates spoke in favor of the spirit of the motion (parity with other divisions regarding tithe remittances to GC), but against the motion’s specific goal of 2 percent by 2020. The motion was voted down, 64 yes, 121 no.

Monday, October 31 – With fifty minutes remaining during the scheduled business session, discussion of the “Unity in Mission” document resumed. While other business sessions had been broadcast via live internet streaming, this session was not. A delegate expressed fear for the church, worrying that this issue will fracture the denomination. Randy Roberts, senior pastor of the Loma Linda University Church, introduced a motion expressing “grave concern” with the “Unity in Mission” document and registering “our vigorous disagreement with the intent of the document.” Roberts’ motion authorized “NADCOM to appoint a subcommittee to craft a thoughtful path forward,” and reiterated “our unwavering support and steadfast intent to realize the full equality of women in ministry, in fulfillment of biblical principles, in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.” AU Seminary Dean, Jir̆í Moskala, stated that the “Unity in Mission” document references “biblical principles” four times. He suggested that NAD dialogue with other divisions to point out that ordaining women violates no biblical principles, as the GC Theology of Ordination Study Committee found. The motion was voted by a wide margin: 163 yes, 35 no, 1 in abstention.

Monday, October 31 – TEAM (Time for Equality in Ministry) hosted the premiere of "Called," a documentary featuring four women who minister. Many NAD leaders attended the screening, and the documentary was released online.

Tuesday, November 1 – In the NAD Ministerial Department report, another video was presented depicting women pastors who serve around the world. The video introduced the hashtag #WhatAPastorLooksLike. Secretary Alex Bryant stated that there are some 4,500 licensed pastors in NAD. He said that when the “Women in Ministry” building block was introduced a few years ago, there were 107 women pastors (2 percent). Within seven years, he continued, 50 percent of the pastoral workforce will be eligible to retire. He described this as an opportunity to add more women pastors. He called for doing all that can be done to assist women currently studying at the Adventist Theological Seminary. Another member of the NAD Ministerial Department, Brenda Billingy, said there are currently 148 women pastors (thirty-eight hired in last two years; the goal was twenty). Billingy thanked conference leaders who helped make it possible. The report was received by a vote of 165 yes, 4 no, and 4 in abstention. Jackson brought the meeting to a close, noting that it was the last NAD YEM in the General Conference building. By next year, the NAD will have completed renovation of new headquarters. He said, “we owe a debt of gratitude to the GC for hosting us all these years.” A motion to that effect was made and the vote carried.  

Wednesday, January 11, 2017 – Adventist News Network published an article “United for mission: implementing the process for unity.” The article stated, “The [Unity in Mission: Procedures in Church Reconciliation] document raises the question of how the Church should respond when an entity decides to ‘go it alone,’ and not follow what has been agreed upon by the world church.” The ANN article went on to say that policies voted by the General Conference Executive Committee “shall be strictly adhered to by all organizations in every part of the world field,” and that “only thus can a spirit of close cooperation and unity be maintained in the work of the Church in all parts of the world field.”

Thursday, January 12, 2017 – The North Pacific Union Conference published an article in the Gleaner in which Union President John Freedman called for days of fasting and prayer on January 18 and 19 for “North American Division union conference presidents and General Conference leaders to seek progress and find understanding on the volatile issue of world church ‘unity in mission.’”

Thursday, January 19, 2017 – General Conference leaders convened a meeting with union presidents from the NAD as the first of five steps outlined in the ANN “implementing the process” article. That step called for listening and praying. Union leaders were asked to bring their best arguments to the table.


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Process does not equal progress. What happened in SA. Should stay in SA. Ted needs to learn that power remains with the people. (We hold these truths to be self evident that all mankind are created equal,in God’s sight.) Christ came to save both Adam and Eve and you and me–gender was not a factor. Paul only addressed the Greek/Roman culture. Women are not objects for man’s pleasure or control. TZ


"Come out of her My people,
that you be not partakers in her sins"


The spiritual SDA world church knows what the agenda is, to subjugate the unions to secular convictions. But more importantly, what the union conference presidents ought to know is how to differentiate the holy spirit from gaslighting.


Enough costly political games! General Conference President Ted N. C. Wilson can solve the problem through two “key events”, not a million:

  1. Apologize.
  2. Abdicate.

That’s precisely what the G. C. President did when Ellen White delivered her first testimony about the dangers of exercising “kingly power”. (Testimonies for the Church, 8:236)


Press Release: GC/NAD Statement on Unity Discussion
General Conference and North American Division leaders issue joint statement after day-long meeting.
Jan 19, 2017 | Silver Spring, Maryland, United States |

The General Conference officers and the officers and union presidents of the North American Division met on Thursday, January 19, to discuss unity in mission as it relates to church governance and women’s ordination. The group affirmed their commitment to Christ through the Holy Spirit, the 28 Fundamentals Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, our prophetic end-time mission and worldwide church organization. After a candid and open discussion with frank interaction, the group agreed that there will be ongoing consultations to seek positive solutions to the challenging issues that the church faces.
It is our prayer that the church will move forward in unity and focus on mission to prepare the world for the soon return of our Lord.

General Conference Officers
Ted N. C. Wilson, President
G. T. Ng, Secretary
Juan Prestol-Puesan, Treasurer

North American Division Officers
Daniel R. Jackson, President
G. Alexander Bryant, Secretary
G. Thomas Evans, Treasurer

Again we see a “committee” made up entirely of men to decide the fate of women gifted by the Holy Spirit for spiritual leadership.

Not only are there zero women members (since the policies of the church forbid it and empower institutional discrimination against women participants as policymakers), there are NO invited women to contribute, speak, or participate in decision making and policy creation of a church that is made up of almost 75% women.

Let us pray.

EDIT on January 20 For @rking

You think because EGW, the female writer, used the word “man” that she means just the male gender? James White calls that “narrow-souled theology” and in his book you would be a “stingy critic.”

Listen to this from James White:

“STINGY CRITICS.” “DON’T WOMEN DIE?” By James White. This is one of my favorites. (So much for a “plain” / hyperliteral reading of Scripture"):

“We object to that narrow-souled theology which will not allow the old ladies to have dreams because the prophecy says, ‘your old men shall dream dreams;’ and that will not allow young women to have visions because the prophecy says ‘your young men shall see visions.’ These stingy critics seem to forget that ‘man’ and ‘men’ in the Scriptures, generally mean both men and women. The Book says that it is ‘appointed unto men once to die.’ Don’t women die?”
(James White, Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, February 25, 1862; Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 24).

So, Robert, thanks so much for quoting a woman, but remember: James White would write this quote that you shared here a little differently than you did. It would go like this:

“The greatest want of the world is the want of men and womenmen and women who will not be bought or sold, men and women who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men and women who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men and women whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men and women who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.” Ed. 57.3 (EGW)


So the first step is listen. Ted, you have knocked that hurdle over already. You have stopped listening.
The second step is pray. Ted, I imagine your prayer is,“Lord, make everyone agree with me.” Many suspect you have knocked over the second hurdle.
The third step is for a wider discussion group to get together. Ted, is it going to be a group that represents the two genders equally, as is the approximate make-up of the church? I don’t think so. Your past record suggests an all-male discussion group. For that reason many treat this whole exercise with cynicism because you have not only knocked this hurdle over but you have taken it off the field completely.
Ted, three strikes and you’re out. Just walk back into the bunker and hand in your resignation. The side needs some recruits that are in touch with the game.


Somehow, me thinks that there are key individuals in the background with big dollars who are seeking to exert influence on the GC President and the GC as a whole. In exchange for their big dollars, the GC plays the game according to their wishes concerning policy!

This blog is yet to explore this possibility!! I hope it may yet do so!!!


I have only one simple question:

Do the readers here believe that Ted Wilson would be willing to swear that there is nothing, absolutely nothing decided yet, that the decisions will actually be reached during these events on the weekend?

If we learned something from Glacier View is that the decision about Des Ford was written in stone before the meetings even started. Nothing would change what Neal Wilson had pre-determined that must have happened. So, I wonder if now it’s his son’s turn to do the same, as if they can actually fool the public without being noticed.

Stop this “call to praying” nonsense! Tell the crowd what the steps are, what is going to happen, and send them home. Is there anyone still out there so naive buying into those maneuvers? TOSC cost over $1mi, and because it didn’t reach what the GC wanted it was just tossed. Well,… maybe they didn’t pray enough at that time, and it may be different this time. Sure, of course!..
@elmer_cupino @andreas @harrpa @ageis711Oxyain @hopeful


Peter Marks, IMHO the influence seeking to be exerted in this instance is not economic, but merely one of power. Ted feels he must be powerful, he must show power, etc. He just doesn’t get it. He actually seems to feel he’s infallible, his will must actually be the will of God, since he’s the president of the church organization.

No, Ted, you are not infallible. Your beliefs and wishes are not synonymous with God’s.

Earlier on this website someone gave succinct advice for what Ted should be doing at this juncture:

  1. Apologize
  2. Abdicate

To that I say Amen.


Are there any pastoral letters being written to Ted Wilson? I do not discern in the GC’s five steps a perspective that such pastoral letters are needed or welcomed.


This is superb reporting. Many thanks.


Paul prayed for Nero.
Nero STILL said – OFF with his head!!

God does NOT control people. Like Nero, they STILL have power of choice.
God will NOT control the GC Leaders to keep them from making the
Discrimination of Women a Fundamentals 29.
Like Martin Luther, like Jon Huss, like Others, one has to STAND UP
for Truth and do what is Right. The Unions and Divisions MEN need to
BE MEN, and say Enough is Enough! Go back to their Constituencies
and be MEN ENOUGH to let the Individual Members in the Local
congregations decide WHO they want to Shepherd and Lead them.


How many are praying FOR WO and how many praying who are against WO. Makes a mockery of prayer. Who’s God listening to?

The priests of Baal at G.C. should pray a little louder or longer?


“The greatest want of the world is the want of men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.” Ed. 57.3 (EGW)

Yes let us pray that these men are of the caliber that SOP says the world so desperately needs to tell them of the truth as it is in Jesus of Rev 14:12.

There would be no need to participate in a process of reconciliation if the man at the top was not bent on division.

I wonder how many of those people the GC nominated to its committee really want to be on it. Many people, when achieving power, also discover that they have to commit to positions they do not personally agree with.


The irony - that a church could be considered out of compliance for recognizing a woman’s gift of ministry/leadership, because only men are designated by God to lead … in a church led/founded by a woman.

Oh to go back to the old days when Adventists leaders were seekers of truth, not defenders of misogyny


I’m no longer a church participant. So I observe and speak from the “outside.” The SDA leadership sounds and feels more and more like the Roman Catholic Church we once despised. This action smacks of the Vatican’s Curia. You can discount the rest of this response as cynical. But I’m not sure it’s completely indefensible!

Step 1: Pretend future decisions are actually God’s – NOT those of men seeking to maintain their positions of power and authority.

Step 2: Dilute the opposition.

Step 3: Credit the “process.” As the Corleone Mob would put it: “This is business, not personal.” Or to quote Tom Z: “Process does not equal progress.”

Step 4: Raise the stakes AND deflect responsibility. Pray and deflect.

Step 5: Set up to do “in Council” (where you own the votes) what you were going to do anyway.

Like I said at the outset: Cynical. But wrong?


A cynical view, not discussed because it is not the real issue. The GC president and related leaders have handled this very poorly, even before SA 2015, and have created this rift by wrong thinking, poor leadership and actions that demonstrate a philosophy not in harmony with the church now or its mission. It is timely that this Sabbath School quarter is on the Holy Spirit and opens the discussion on how do we know when the Holy Spirit is guiding us? We have been asked to pray for the church leadership to be guided in resolving the matter, but what happens when both sides in this debate (a valid discription) believe the Spirit is guiding to them to move in different directions? Pointing to rank or titles solves nothing, unless the observations are true that our church governing structure is similar to the Roman Catholic Church. I do hope and pray for a positive remedy here, but have little confidence in the GC leadership based on their authoritarian performance to date. My personal stand is with NAD, women and theologians who have made public statements from our major institutions of higher learning. Prayers ascend.