I want to hear comments of what kind of theological teaching is provided to those kids. From prior discussions here about the GYC meetings, Kevin Paulson was adamant that they have been presented (corrupted!) with LGT.
This requires clarification. Can anyone please come up with real facts?
This is an example of true revival in mission, service, morally and commitment.
This picture would be complete if the GC would take the leadership in self-reform in streamlining church finances, election of officers and providing more openness to policies.
I think GYC is admirable. There are so many features that contribute to its success: a nice niche in the calendar is filled, the annual meeting blends vacation-like relaxation with an academic environment, a rich and varied selection of seminars is offered, the speakers come from all walks of life, the outreach activity bears significant fruit (622 people interested in Bible study is impressive), the seminar presentations are archived and easily accessible online, good accommodations, good food, and an outpouring of Seventh-day Adventist Church support.
Phil, it all sounds good. I admire the activities and programs. Lots of work to make it happen, but it’s a commendable project. I only would like to have an answer to my question above.
My only concern is about a possible indoctrination process being infiltrated very quietly to promote the LGT heresy. I remember Kevin Paulson a few years ago bragging here that those kids were “understanding” the LGT…
I am just curious about it…
George asks the 64 thousand question. Is this Conference, this organization Gospel centered or works centered. As Kevin’s refrain is perfectionism in his promotion of the organization, the question is central. The Weimar connection is telling. Adventism is fast becoming a minor part of American evangelicalism wth a different slant on the Rapture. They have turned the Good News into puffery.
The message I posted is one of a series that is not compatible with some of the major elements commonly attributed to historic Andreasen or Kirkpatrick LGT. It is patently gospel centered. Those who wish to see for themselves may.
The orientation of our leadership team is not works focused or LGT as the Andrews University Theological Seminary would define it based on my interactions with faculty on the topic as a current grad student. There have been past speakers who have at times taken the liberty of preaching things that have not always represented our views (as can happen anywhere). This obviously has at times caused associations with a variety of ideas, LGT being one of them. Because we are trying to focus on mission and active involvement in service, we do not expend time making statements on theologically nuanced issues and debates. In my experience, service and mission tend to bring people to center, rather than focusing on theological or soteriological tangents which frequently do more harm than good.
As a result of this shift in focus, we can report that in the last year, GYC participants reported being instrumental in 2,500+ Bible studies, 760+ baptisms, and 2,000+ Mission or service related opportunities during 2018.
Based on your statement, my conclusion is that the GYC leadership is NOT actively indoctrinating the youth with the LGT heresy (aka “perfectionism”), that there is no intention to infiltrate this heresy in the Church. Am I correct?
I understand that you can speak officially for the GYC’s leadership, correct?
Another question would be, Does the GYC leadership understand the danger represented by the LGT heresy, and are they protecting our youth against it by not allowing LGTarian preachers to sow poisonous seeds in the youth’s young and vulnerable brains?
Correct, there is no such intention. It is hard for me to respond to the rest of your question though as what you define as LGT, perfectionism, etc. may not be in alignment with the seminary or others. I’m also not in a position to make any “official statement” on behalf of GYC besides speaking from my own personal perspective and understanding on the current leadership team. The reason for this is because we would have to meet together and draft something to do so, and I doubt any of us would want to take the time causing division and widespread misunderstanding at the expense of our mission. I’m well aware of the major pitfalls of some of the problems commonly associated with and attributed to LGT, and I know a number of my colleagues are as well. That said, there are also plenty of people who are opposed to LGT who also have little regard for a high view of the authority of scripture, sop, and overcoming in general which I know I wouldn’t want to be associated with either. So yeah, I think that’s all I’ll say. The message I linked may provide further clarification on nuances. The above statement quoted from our website is the best place to start.
It’s all great, I fully support that list of things being promoted.
My concerns have been triggered by Kevin Paulson’s bragging on this site in the past about the success of teaching LGT to the GYC crowd. If I remember well, he himself was involved in some way with the leadership of the GYC, and at that time he had even been one of the speakers.
I am significantly uncomfortable that I can’t yet get a CLEAR statement that the GYC does not support/promote LGT, that they are protecting our youth against this heresy.
Thanks for replying again. Let me comment on some issues that sound problematic:
There is absolutely no doubt that the LGT is the old perfectionism heresy that was rejected several times by our Church in the past. Not now, since TW is a confessed LGTarian himself (he declared it in his Sabbath morning sermons at the AC-18).
Referring to “the seminary or others” is a very vague statement. Do you mean Andrews University? And who are the “others.”
Then I can only wish that someone could come here and offer an official statement. Otherwise, we are back to level zero of official information.
Now, this is a troubling, very troubling statement.
Why would dealing with the issue cause “division” among you guys? Are there known LGTarians among you who have such an influence to be able to cause division?
Are you saying that on one side are the LGTarians, and on the other side are “people who are opposed to LGT who also have little regard for a high view of the authority of scripture, sop…,” meaning that the LGTarians are actually those who are faithful to Scripture and to EGW, but not those who oppose LGT? Please clarify your statement, because the way it is it’s extremely troublesome.
In my view, the best place to start is to be clear and unequivocal about one single issue: Does the GYC repudiate the LGT heresy? ____ YES … … NO ___
Why would it be so difficult to make an official, clear, unequivocal statement about this issue? Please, ask someone who can speak officially for the GYC to answer this question. Thanks.
See, this is where I get into trouble, because people start reading into everything I say as if there’s something there when there isn’t.
We have participants who attend GYC from all across the theological spectrum. Our present focus and mission are listed on our website and typically communicated at our annual conference. It does not include seeking to label and divide our participants into camps at the expense of our mission to inspire people to take sacrificial initiative for Christ. Our recordings are freely available online for personal evaluation to those concerned enough to evaluate them (as linked previously), and I think you would find them incompatible with the pitfalls commonly associated with LGT. As it is, I believe I’ve answered your question more than adequately without any intent to mislead. Don’t read into things too much. I’d love to give a perfect yes or no answer, but because that means something different to different people, I can only say what I’ve said.
OK, I understand that you don want to go beyond what you already said. Fine with me.
I only hope that the GYC leadership will be not only concerned with the social mission toward others in society, but also with not allowing the young participants to be targeted by people teaching heresy in a very subtle way as the LGTarians do.
This is my only concern, and I hope you guys will stay always alert enough to detect the wolves. Because lately they have been disguised as sheep, by adopting a fancy name (LGT) to rename (hide, disguise) an old enemy of the SDA Church and of the Christian Church as well, the perfectionism heresy.