Head of Headship Warns "Crisis Ahead"

"Crisis Ahead!" says a new, inadvertently punny poster for a symposium on male headship planned for this summer.

This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://spectrummagazine.org/article/2015/05/19/head-headship-warns-crisis-ahead

Just curious. Why is the “other” camp allowed to express “incendiary” remarks and my benign post is allowed to “dissipate” in thin air?

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Like mine just did!

Trust The Process.

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No problem. I’ll tighten my muzzle. Kudos to you for standing by your principles. You need a good pay raise!


Thanks for understanding. Onward and forward!


These independent ministries begin to frighten me…It is time Andrews and other universities speak out very loud against them. Also the BRI should stand up now.


fear is a great motivator. The Judgment Hour Message has a new set of clothes., Tom Z


The Great Controversy from the Gitgo was over who was worthy of worship. Adventism has maintained that the issue when to worship. Now the subset is who is worthy of leading that worship. If the Church would shift its emphasis on Who alone is worthy of worship, the issue of leadership would become a manageable issue. the message not the messenger would dominate. Christ is not only The Lord of the Seventh day, He is Lord of all time, all,space, and all matter. even the wind and the waves obey His voice. Tom Z


Is “Headship” anthropological, that all men are heads of women? Wasn’t it theological? Christ -> head of the -> Man --> head of the --> Woman. Until Christ is the head of the man, a man has no headship authority. Fortunately, the church has only one head: CHRIST. Ellen White writes:

“The Lord Jesus has not been correctly represented in His relation to the church by many husbands in their relation to their wives, for they do not keep the way of the Lord. They declare that their wives must be subject to them in everything. But it was not the design of God that the husband should have control, as head of the house, when he himself does not submit to Christ. He must be under the rule of Christ that he may represent the relation of Christ to the church. If he is a coarse, rough, boisterous, egotistical, harsh, and overbearing man, let him never utter the word that the husband is the head of the wife, and that she must submit to him in everything; for he is not the Lord, he is not the husband in the true significance of the term” ~ Ellen White, Adventist Home, p. 117.

Those promoting anthropological headship in the church have missed the essence of Christlike leadership. Each leader is a “diakonos”. I guess some people are finding it hard to shake off some fragments of Catholicism away… Click Here


“Experiencing a loving God is associated with high trust in one’s fellow mortals, whereas experiencing a judgemental God is associated with low trust in other people. The highest level of trust is expressed by people who “very often” experience God’s love, but “never” experience God’s judgement. At the other pole, those who are least trusting of their neighbours are those who experience God’s judgement more often than God’s love.

For highly observant fundamentalist Americans, their theology inclines them toward scepticism about human nature.”

…People with many religiously based social connections are 2 – 3 times more likely to be civically engaged and generous, even to purely secular causes…

American Grace page 468-473 Putnam & Campbell

Those who propogate fear should be held to account for misery and poverty they inculcate in their listeners and society.

The Advent faith is substantively about hope, the alternatives are counterfeit.


Looks like the BRI is standing up, but not to denounce headship. I just found out about this new book against WO, written by an associate director of BRI & endorsed by others there (see also the “what others are saying” page).


Will this Symposium be available on Hope Channel, on 3ABN, or a more smaller channel of Secrets Unsealed?
I wonder if Laurel will re-read her Devils In The Church paper? ANY Woman who wants to be a Pastor, who Says God spoke to her will be viewed as being the Voice of the Devil, not the Voice of the Holy Spirit, but Spiritualism.
Have they called this Issue the Omega, of the Alpha–Omega prophecy of EGW?

I wonder How Much, if any, of ASI Member money is going into this?
Trying NOT to be Critical, But, THIS is very SERIOUS business here!!!
A LOT of Donation Money is being spent on this symposium.

I wonder HOW they missed putting a picture of the Titanic on the flyer, instead of just the Yellow Sign with Crisis Ahead printed on it?


Title of The Book ID’d by Hopeful is titled — Women’s Ordination, Does It Matter?, by Clinton and Gina Wahlen.
Dr Gehard Pfandle say on the book promotion site – It is a MUST read for ALL SDA Members.
Several Chapters listed can be “clicked” on and sent to other site.

  1. House Divided.
    Goes to Advindicate, April 28, 2015, by Skip Dodson.
  2. Elder Statesmen.
    Goes to Ordination Truth.com, Council of Adventist Pastors. This article ALSO brings in the FEAR of Homosexuals in the Pew IF approve of WO.
  3. Ministry Report is by Edwin Reynolds and Clinton Wahlen, the book author.
  4. Andronicus and Iouniun.
    Ministry Magazine, May 2014, by Richard Sabin.
  5. Pulpit and Pew
    Research by Duke Divinity School. [note the date] Reported in print, Winter 2003!
    This Research study in 12 YEARS OLD, and Is NOT SDA related. “Babylonian Church” related, as our Evangelists would say.
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I agree. The Seminary has spoken out against headship. It now needs to train its sights on the state of the church organization itself and on the increasingly autonomous nature of groups ranging from Secrets Unsealed to Amazing Facts to GYC to One Project to ASI. Each of these groups has sought–in various ways–to define, correct or control the church, bypassing the church organization and attempting to “wag the dog” as it were. Increasingly, the role of denominational leaders has been reduced to flitting from one independently organized event to another just trying to hold it all together. Meanwhile, these independent ministries use denominational leaders’ appearances as a means of building legitimacy for their causes. It’s a vicious circle. The church needs to reclaim its role and stop pandering to independent, special interest ministries.


This Secret presentation and the other comments elsewhere by some of the presenters scares me! Some of the denouncements, logic and opinions reminds me of ISIS and the way they treat not only women but any one who disagrees with their philosophy. I have read comments on other sites talking about fighting and wars if/when the church recognizes women as called of God. I don’t view this comment as incendiary but shall see what web editor thinks! :smile:


Well, obviously.

Yes, clearly this would mark the end for the church. It’s not that they’d preach or fill any important ministerial role, but the ordination itself that will do this. Right? Is there a specific step in the ordination that is the trigger for the end of the church?

I bet that involves potlucks, Dorcas, and leading a women’s-only Sabbath School class in the baby room, but please no spoilers. I want it to be a surprise! Oh, I do, I do! (clap clap clap, jump up and down…)


No wonder our college educated adult children no longer occupy the pews
and the “millenials” are leaving in droves.

The true crisis will occur when the few remaining ones
with depleted resources due to retirement,
no longer can fund our world-wide operation.
Empty coffers.will curtail General Conference expansionist plans.

Our large metropolitan USA churches are already feeling the pinch.

So this primitive “headship” theology will come back
to haunt the church with financial penalties.

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The best way to respond to this is to persuade as many people as possible all over the world to view as much of this series as they can. Bad ideas usually sink and good ideas usually float when they are openly discussed. Likewise, the best way to accredit or discredit spokespersons is to encourage them to say whatever they want.


web Editor, I hope you are still on the job. there is a side bar ad for sweet girls with a come on picture is that excessive or not? just like to know.Tom Z

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Thank you. Truth: “Those who propogate fear should be held to account for misery and poverty they inculcate in their listeners and society. The Advent faith is substantively about hope, the alternatives are counterfeit.”