Thank you so much for researching this, Dennis! I’m going to run this by my son who did a thesis on fetal pain.
Shades of Descartes and vivisection!
Yes, if Adventists are hell-bent on dismembering babies, at least follow the Precautionary Principle and anesthetize the wee babes, for God’s sake. @cfowler
But there are interesting developments here! A famous atheist pain scientist who used to believe fetuses couldn’t feel pain is now reconsidering!
Well I don’t think you’re crazy or washed up. On the other hand I need to learn more about what you’re saying, to know if I can make sense of it, but it’s definitely interesting. Tell me why I shouldn’t be a panentheist.
His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
The brain nerves which communicate with the entire system are the only medium through which Heaven can communicate with man and affect his inmost life. Whatever disturbs the circulation of the electric currents in the nervous system lessens the strength of the vital powers, and the result is a deadening of the sensibilities of the mind.
Brief thought: Dennis, while you and I are more or less “doomed” to think about things like synthesizing science and religion day and night, I think we need to be careful not to reify wispy intuitions into schemes that become beliefs.
At the end of the day, if it’s not falsifiable, and it’s not implementable, it may just be wool gathering.
I do a lot of that, I’m afraid.
Anyway, though I find some of what you say confusing, there are themes there that are interesting and probably very important.
Kellogg took his Biologic Living off into eugenics.
I’m interested in a kind of integration of science and faith that self-corrects us towards pro-social growth.
“Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.”
I love to read your hard-to-follow but yeasty thinking, Dennis. I’m going to take more time with this tomorrow, but I’ll share one brain problem that bedevils me frequently: spatial perception. I can’t make mental maps, so visualizing these brain areas and pathways pulls up a blank screen for me.
I have DTD, Developmental Topographical Disorientation:
I took Dr. Iaria’s test and he says I’m a textbook case.
My hippocampi are apparently fried, maybe from childhood stress, I don’t know.
I don’t get lost in my house, or usually on familiar routes because my procedural memory compensates. But if I’m under stress, like with sad anniversaries, I get lost in my own neighborhood, like I recently did. I was half a block from home, and had no idea where I was.
Maybe I can find an app or something to help me visualize better, because I really want to follow what you’re saying.
Also, the Blakelee’s book is on Scribd Audio, so I downloaded & will listen soon.
Interesting about pain biofeedback. There’s a whole army of us out there on the Internets who can’t afford dentistry, and I have a whole protocol for when my teeth tune up, which is rare. Processing emotions is key, and eating cashews is magic for teeth, for some reason. Also, on YouTube, Rife Frequencies, Isochronal Binaural Beats, etc. Its actually kind of fun to play with what you can do with pain.
So I know that pain is a malleable thing from experience. Resistance makes pain worse, as any woman who has delivered a baby without anesthesia knows. And I know from doing Doula work that I can calm a woman and ease her pain just using my presence, voice and touch. You have to trust the Universe.
Someone loaned me Ron Wyatt video cassettes decades ago. I just couldn’t go there. I watched a couple of YouTube videos last week, and I can take what he says poetically and appreciate his devotion. I hope your thesis won’t unravel on that point—that is, I hope he isn’t pivotal to my understanding what you are saying.
It is an enormous privilege and honor to be asked to give the basic science lecture. Please join me on an adventure that I have taken over the past three years. I described this type of voyage to my daughters many years ago as “discovery,” in which you walk down certain common pathways but always see something different on that journey. I will tell you about my concept of how the helix and the heart affect nature, the heart, and the human.
To pursue this new route, I select a comment from my hero, Albert Einstein, who said, “All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike, and yet is the most precious thing we have.” We all have to be students, who are often wrong and always in doubt, while a professor is sometimes wrong and never in doubt. Please join me on my student pathway to see something I discovered recently and will now share with you.
The object of our affection is the heart, which is, in reality, a helix that contains an apex. The cardiac helix form, in Figure 1, was described in the 1660s by Lower as having an apical vortex, in which the muscle fibers go from outside in, in a clockwise way, and from inside out, in a counterclockwise direction.
Indeed, but some say it was a Roman garrison. And did not Jesus say that not one stone would be left upon another? Whence, then, the Wailing Wall?
If it is merely a retaining wall, and not part of Herod’s Temple, why is it considered holy? (All naive questions, I know.)
Some say the Third Temple could be constructed in a matter of months—that the priests have been trained, the golden vessels have been made and it’s all prefabbed. If someone became convinced it could legitimately be done in the City of David, it could happen a flash, sans WWIII.
If any of this is true, or what it might mean, I have no idea. The Vatican does seem to have great interest in Jerusalem.
Progressive Adventists are allergic to prophecy, and conservative Adventists have it all figured out. No one seems to be paying attention.
No need to reply, unless you have time and want to, Dennis—just thinking in pixels. Get your leaves raked.
Dennis, while you are out, I’m going to spend some time outlining your posts, blending the outlines, and then trying to distill the message of what you are saying here, which I will then share back with you.
You can then tell me if I’m in the ballpark, and a proper dialogue can happen from there, if you’d be interested.
I’m also going to work on visualizing and understanding the brain structures you’ve discussed. I imagine we’re very much on the same page about empathy and shared pain, as well as many other things.