Did Jesus share in Mary’s ‘fallen’ DNA or did he somehow take the ‘unfallen’ DNA of long-dead Adam and Eve before they realized they were ‘naked’ and ‘ashamed’ with faithless guilt ?
The reason that SDA leaders ‘dare’ ‘now’ “to stand in their” women’s “way” is the same reason which William Johnsson defended in the interview with Walter Martin which is broadcast, still, at the web link attached below . . . : QOD
So, the real question is, "How does QOD stand in the way of the real Christ, who is the true cult leader of every true member of the Christian cult-ure – Female and Male – and must be ‘touched’ – not un-touched, with the feelings of my fallen flesh infirmities – not my unfallen DNA perfections – in order to reach me where the woman, Mary, was and I still am : in fallen DNA-flesh ? Is Christ ‘not far off’’, or ‘far off’ from me ?
If the baby Jesus had the DNA of the unfallen Adam and Eve, then Mary would have ‘exploded’ and died during the gestation of a giant in her womb. It makes my head spin to try to ‘read’ what QOD has to say about the nature of Christ, NOT because of what the Ellen quotes say, but because of how its publishers wish me to twist her clear Biblical statements into mysterious self-contradictions with their editorial tricks.
Pastor Johnsson, about 6 minutes into the video attached, you clearly stated, “The leadership of the Seventh-day Adventist Church has not repudiated Questions On Doctrine.” Have you, yourself, done so yet, especially those parts regarding the ‘fallen’ human DNA-flesh that clothed the Divine, humble ‘Mind of Christ’ ?
If you have not yet repudiated that arrogant false QOD assumption made by SDA Leaders to appease non-SDAs – SDA leaders who still did not wish to be of the ‘cult of Christ’ after Christ made the offer to their spiritual ancestors, circa 1888 – then when you finally do, YOU, yourself, will no longer stand in the way of ‘fallen’ SDA women who wish to be ordained as SDA ministers of the ‘Spiritual’ Gospel of ‘Christ in you, the hope of glory’ . . . regardless of their merely DNA-expressed ‘female’ flesh.
If QOD were to be banned, forever, from the affections of SDA Leaders, then they would see that it is not merely permissible, but necessary, as ‘Christians’ to ordain members of any DNA expression within the ‘Cult-ure of Christ’, because such ‘cult’ members are ‘born’, are ‘natured’, by the Holy Spirit as ‘Children of our Father in Heaven’, and mere ‘flesh’ – whether ‘fallen’ or ‘unfallen’, ‘male’ or ‘female’, ‘gentile’ or ‘Jew’ – has absolutely no power to rob us of that Heavenly Father. Jesus proved that fact even in ‘fallen’ flesh, when Adam and Eve – even in ‘unfallen’ flesh – ‘fell’ by doubting that same fact regarding ‘Our Father, which art in Heaven.’
So, please pastor William Johnsson, stop trying to confuse what God has made clear. Repudiate the spirit of QOD and step out of the way of SDA women of the Christian ‘cult-ure’ who wish to be publicly ‘ordained’ as ‘pastors’ under that Shepherd that not only died for them, but did so ‘without sin’ in His mind and heart – in His ‘Spirit’ – in Godly defiance against their own ‘fallen flesh’ which He also endured with them, due to His mother Mary’s own non-immaculate, DNA-flesh contribution. True ‘born again’ Christian cult-ure members recognize the difference between ‘flesh’ birth and ‘Spirit’ birth, and which one now matters most to ‘Our Father who art in Heaven’.
Like Adam, Christ could have ‘fallen’ in His mind-and-heart-‘nature’, just as easily as did Eve and Adam in perfect-flesh-‘nature’ in perfect Eden. . . but He did not, even in ‘fallen’ flesh, even in the hellish scene at Golgotha, because he always beheld the friendly Face of His Father enshrined in His mind and heart, even when that Face hid Itself from Him as He ‘became our sinful mind-and-heart-nature for us’ and died the Spiritual death He in no way deserved – Himself being faithful to the end – to demonstrate that the Death that occurred beginning at the wrong ‘faithless’ tree in Eden was ‘Spiritual’ leading to the death of ‘flesh’, also. Not the other way around.
Therefore ‘born again’ Christians do not mock the ‘rebirth’ of mind and heart through the Holy Spirit, by focusing, instead, on their mother’s ‘womb’ and the weak power of mere ‘flesh’ – fallen or unfallen – as did Nicodemus. Like Christ, Christian ‘cult’ members must be ‘kept by the Power of God through faith’ in the Father (I Peter 1:5) just as Christ demonstrated from the weakest of possible ‘flesh’ situations, so that even a hard-hearted Roman Centurion was compelled to confess, “Truly this was the Son of God !”, as that Son’s flesh died, in faithful victory of Godly mind and heart, over mere matter, mere DNA-flesh AND over fallen faithless human mind and heart . . . all of this was taught to SDAs in that ‘1888 Message’ that according to some SDA scholars we SDAs supposedly ‘accepted’ after 1888 and before 1957’s ‘QOD’ . . . (I can read. Where do you think I got it ? In electrical apprentice school ? No, I read the official GC Daily Bulletin transcripts from the post-1888 era with my own eyes, over and over and over again, until by God’s grace I began to ‘get the picture’, for myself.)
Women’s Ordination is not going to happen in the SDA church – due largely to non-Christian SDA ‘cults’ that have now formed behind well-publicized ‘evangelizing’ SDA media stars – as long as the ‘spirit’ behind 1957’s QOD’s rejection of the ‘1888’-era messages still exists in those who oppose, those who oppose, WO. We didn’t get into this SDA mess by mere ‘surprise’. No, instead of ‘Steps to Christ’, we took ‘Steps to Mess’. And the only way out is to retrace the wrong steps back to that ‘Fork in the Road’ described by Herbert Douglass, who with Raymond Cottrell was told to stop ‘editing’ QOD, 61 years ago, by better-‘respected’ SDA scholars.
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6:63
Shame on Walter Martin, the evangelical ‘Christian’, for not being able to explain these words of his Christian ‘cult’ Leader – Christ, Himself – to William Johnsson !
It was not the perfect flesh of Adam and Eve that failed.
It was not the imperfect flesh of Christ that succeeded.
The battle with faithless sin was and is still fought in the spiritual realm of the thoughts,
just as the mocked and pilloried A.T. Jones repeated Paul’s ‘Gentile’ Gospel to the SDA church.
What ‘race’ or ‘sex’ is a thought ?
Why do Spiritual ‘children’ of the all-powerful, all-convicting, all-convincing . . . ‘Father’ in Heaven beg for approval from flesh-obsessed ‘Babylon’ and her ‘evangelical’ ‘daughters’ ? . . . unless they have become ‘prodigal’, flesh-obsessed children ?
“God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
~ Jesus to Samaritan Woman at Jacob’s Well, in John 4:24 NKJV
The Father’s convincing Holy Spirit came to God’s SDA children in the 1888-era. If our SDA leaders truly accepted that Spirit – in their spirits truly worth-shipped that convicting Gift as precious, just as the Samaritan woman did – then why are we SDAs still acting like ‘widows and orphans’ without Husband and Father, begging favors from, fleshy, fallen Babylon, and acting like wealthy, divorced, but ‘tax exempt’. . . Queen Laodice the 1st * ?
- see Wikipedia, ‘Laodice I’.
‘Lao-dice’ means ‘justice’ – or ‘righteousness’ – ‘of the people’ Another SDA Review editor, Uriah Smith, wrote at least twice on ‘Our Righteousness’ – the ‘righteousness of (God’s) the people’ – as opposed to Jones’ and Waggoner’s ‘Christ, Our Righteousness’ – at least twice after ‘1888’, confirming that the SDA church is still, the ‘Laodicean church’ . . . until we publicly ‘repudiate’ taking each and every wrong ‘fork’ in our SDA history ‘road’ behind those leaders we wrongly ‘worship’ in Christ’s place. Kellogg and Jones and Waggoner were ‘dismembered’ for teaching ‘panentheism’, but Uriah Smith, I’m sure, died an SDA ‘member in good standing’ ? ! ? How can we SDAs presume to take God’s Gospel ‘truth’ publicly to the world, until we publicly ‘repudiate’ all of the errors regarding that ‘Gospel’ which we still enshrine in the proud secret heart of our own SDA history ? . . . errors which are directly opposed to God’s Gospel ‘truth’, though taught by our ‘fleshy’ male ‘heroes’ ? Cowardly male scholars all around the ‘Christian’ circle, leave poor, weak Grandma Ellen to take the whole public blame for our SDA GC ‘cult’ situation, while many non-Christian SDA ‘cults’ have formed behind strong leading SDA men since 1888, who may have even less Biblical defense of their settled opinions than Ellen supposedly doesn’t, and who yet ‘plagiarize’ the name ‘Seventh-day Adventist’, as if they, alone, can define that name and all that it implies. How about the Uriah Smith cult ? . . . the Froom cult ? . . . the Batchelor cult ? . . . the Wieland cult ? . . . the Jones cult ? . . . the Knight cult ? . . . the Duffield cult ? When will it be the 'wherever the Spirit of Christ leads us forward in His Truth . . . ‘cult’ ? Not until we publicly admit that we have repeatedly taken the wrong ‘fork in the road’ to get into the mess we’re in, now. May that time come sooner than later ! If, ‘We would see Jesus’, then we must look at Him through our own eyes, and not through another’s. If we would show Jesus, then we must step aside, open the door of personal spiritual pride, and stop blocking the view of the road forward for others.