What would it take for you to be fully convinced over this “hypocrisy?”
There are individuals who continue to cloak hypocrisy under the guise of “people rebelling against the powers that God has ordained” and then there are those, the likes of @GeorgeTichy and myself, who would like to rid our church of this hypocrisy by exposing those who “wish to exert illegitimate power over someone else.”
Which side are you on?
(Mercy triumphs over judgment. James 2:13)
Do you use that verse to cancel these?
Matt 18:3 (also Mark 10:15, Luke 18:17)
And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Which truths? That women are subservient creatures devoid of their own freedoms and abilities? Or the truth that in Christ there is neither male or female, Jew or gentile, free or slave, we are all one?
Thank you for your answer. I really appreciate it and read it with interest. You mentioned the same point that @kevindpaulson said in his reply to the same question: that there would be a moral decline.
Why exactly do you think this might occur. What is it about say, a female pastor, that could possibly lead the church into moral decline? Why specifically would women’s ordination cause this?
Thank you again for your thoughtful response above
What happened to Israel when Korah campaigned for ordination? What happened to Israel when Saul did not wait for Samuel and offered sacrifice? What happened to Israel when Jeroboam selected non-Levites to be priests? What happened to Israel when women were making ruling decisions for them (Jezebel, Athaliah)? What happened to Israel any and every time that God’s design was rejected in favor of human opinion or establishment?
When God gives us plain and simple criteria upon which to select, in the fear of God, men of character to be our leaders, what will happen if we ignore those criteria in favor of a “new culture”?
If we are unable to learn from the past, we are destined to repeat its mistakes.
I believe, by extension, He did. Those 12 men were not a bunch of bachelors. When Jesus sent them out by twos, it was not a matter of “Peter, you and your wife go this way and…” He paired the men, which meant it was actually two families/couples joining in the effort.
Jesus was training the leaders for His church. The fact He did not ordain any women among them should be strong evidence of His backing for a male leadership.
Isn’t it amazing that some people can’t see that it’s been those that are loaded with testosterone that have brought shame to the church so often? (Reminds me of Pipim-ism…)
And they still say that women are the ones that can actually lower the morals in church?
Are they just trying to distract the audience’s attentions for some unknown reason?
The most specific answer I can give is that God has not chosen them. He has not given us any directive to place women in the position of an elder. As for more specificity, ask God. I could speculate, but only God knows His reasons. I suspect it has to do with multiple things, as usual. The biggest one is a matter of obedience.
For example, the fruit of the tree of knowledge that God forbade them to eat–why? To test them. To see if they would be faithful. God tests His people still today. Will we follow His directions, or go in the way that seems right to us instead?
What happened to Israel because of the decisions of King Ahab and Jehoram? Didn’t Jehoram of Judah kill 5 of his brothers to become heir to the kingdom of Judah? Jehu assassinated the king and became the king of Israel himself. There was so much bloodshed and evil in these stories that I shudder to think how anyone can point to Jezebel and Athaliah as the bad guys. Everyone involved was involved in some kind of treachery: murderous plots, power grabs, strange alliances and brutality.
Certainly there have been many wicked men, and many other wicked women as well. You are correct in that. But Israel had some good kings: David, Solomon, Josiah, Hezekiah, etc. Many men in the Bible were good and faithful leaders for the people: Moses, Joshua, Ezra & Nehemiah, Samuel, Gideon, Joseph, Abraham – to name a few in no special order; all men. There was never a woman in all of the Bible whom God established to be in authority as a leader over His people. When God chose a leader, it was always a man. He chose some women to be prophetesses, yes, but they were never the one in charge. Consider Miriam vs. Moses; Deborah vs. Barak; Huldah vs. Josiah, etc. Never did God even appoint a woman queen to reign over His people. Esther was queen of Babylon, not Israel, appointed by the king, not God’s direction (though certainly by His providence to defeat the evil purposes of Haman), and she was not in authority, for the king held that position. Even after Haman was gone, the Jew who had influence and authority was not Esther, but Mordecai, her cousin who had been a father to her.
I’ve never been to the Netherlands, and I’m sure what you’re telling me is correct. My point is that I thought the EU would come down on discrimination like a ton of bricks. The discrimination is open. I wonder if such a job ad would be acceptable or legal in Australia. I believe we generally only allow discrimination in favour of the indigenous people. Here, there is discrimination not only in favour of women but also in favour of people who studied at a particular institution and also age discrimination. This is the EU, not some developing country. The EU come down hard on all sorts of things.