For cases like that I have some openings and can make appointments for new patients. 
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I am actually thinking of joining the religion that EGW professed between 1844 and 1851. With emphasis, of course, on the Camden vision about the “Shut Door.” 
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It’s great if you are trying to lose some weight 
“Shut fridge door doctrine” eh?
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Yrs, I am working on that. I am 6.2, 68 y/o. My max ideal weight is around 189 lbs. Currently at 203, I can benefit from some “shut mouth” plan to eat a little less. Eating lots of delicious salad (based on Swiss Chard from my own backyard. Plan working well so far. 
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Another good diet that I used for a while [with my 3 days at the gym with
weight machines and 15 to 20 min on the elliptical or reclining bicycle. On
the elliptical I would do 5 min rest, 5 min, rest, etc.] is called
The Every Other Day Diet.
Eat normal every other day. then Every Other Day eat about 5-600 cals.
On Diet day eat low cal veg and try to get 20 gm fiber. Drink. Drink low
or no cal drinks – coffee, tea, soft drinks, water, etc. When the urge to
snack hits, drink.
I lost about 15 lbs doing this. Can use low cal raw vegies to munch on
to satisfy the chewing need for the day. Can use no-cal dressings to dip
in.
There is a book titled, The Alternate-Day Diet, by James Johnson and
Donald Laub. Both MD’s.[2013, Pedigree/Penguin]
It was an easy plan to follow.
[I used the elliptical for cardio. I used the reclining bicycle for leg muscle
work – got it up to #15 or so for 10-15 min.]
For fluids, I tried to get about 90 or so ounces of liquids every day. I measured.
Over time I have gone from 185 to 150 now.
Previous Spectrum article "… Adventist Dietary Principles in Light of New Diet Trends"
"Good evidence of the efficacy of consuming a diet that is consistent with the Adventist dietary principles is found in the dietary guidelines issued by professional organizations and governmental agencies. In the past, the food guide pyramid, which showed grains as the foundation of a healthy diet was on the bottom of the pyramid, with fruits and vegetables being recommended in abundance. … “The Adventist dietary principles, though given to God’s people more than a century ago, have been vindicated by modern scientific research findings over decades.”
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Current recommended daily fiber intake is 20 to 40 grams daily.
Beef and pork are to be considered as “Fat Exchanges”.
Chicken and Turkey are much lower in Fat.
Fish high in Omega 3,6, fats are recommended. This EXCLUDES
catfish.
By consuming 1500 cal one day, and 500 or so cal the next, gives
an average of 1000 cal PER DAY.
Meat has no fiber. Only fruits and “vegetables” have fiber.
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Dave, since the articles in question aren’t easily available…could you synthesize why Spangler did not find SDAs to be “Fundamentalists”?
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I am a exercise physiologist and spend my days putting people on weight loss programs. I would be happy to help. Of course you have to do the work, I just sit back and take the credit. Trust me it easy.
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It’s easy?
Give us an outline of the plan.
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@ajshep, what posts are you referring to? Since your comment doesn’t seem to be in reply to anyone, and since none of your comments on this thread have been deleted, we’re unclear on what you’re referring to, but are happy to assist if you can give us a bit more info. Feel free to send us a private message through Discourse.
-WebEd
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CccWeight gain in most instances is a combination of getting older, notice I didn’t say old, our BMR ( Base Metobolic Rate ) begins to slow down. As a result we continue to eat the same foods and the same portions of those foods. We can change that Metobolic Rate through exercise and diet. And it has to be a combination.
The problem people have in weight loss is most often the person hears about a diet that some important person has decided fits everyone and we toss our eating patterns away and start eating only that which we have read about. Ninety- nine percent of us last a average of two weeks then it’s back to the foods we like.
I prescribe what I call a 50/50 approach to weight loss. That means 50 less calories a day and increase your choleric expenditure by 50 calories per day. That means you continue to eat the foods you like with smaller portions and be consistent in increasing your activity through walking, swimming, biking by 15 minutes per day. At the end of the week you have 700 less calories in your body.
In athletics we change Metobolic rates about three times per year depending on the training and exercise performance that we want. It takes about three weeks in a athlete. Us older people it takes about two months. After the Metobolic rate is increased, meaning we are burning faster, we can force the issue to 75/75. There is a bit more to talk about on this subject but right now I have to go to work so I can put ice cream on the table.
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Kim, I faintly remember these articles. I think the main thing Spangler was referring to was dispensational theology of some fundamentalist that came up later in the fundamentalist modernist debate. Also, some “fundamentalist” are accused of doubts toward a lot of science. Also some tend to be literalist despite genre.
Conservative theology of the early Machen Princeton type/Westminster is non dispensational and has regard for science and a cultural mandate. Very cognitive of various genre in scripture. It would hold to the “first 5 main” fundamentals (as do SDA’s.) It simply is not ruled by scientific theory vs. Empirical facts. Nor is it ruled by cultural shifts and desires for faith and practice.
So, definitions on “particulars” is really important for intelligent non pejorative conversation from both sides of the “fundamentalist/conservative -modernist theology” debate.
Also, SDA’s in practice have the problem of the Bible + EGW in practice. This was one of the accusals that was leveled by conservative Protestants in 50’s and later that Froom and others attempted to answer in QOD but Andreason view wing ruled the day in administration. In my view that middle section view of adventism in the 50-70’s that I grew up in has disappeared. We now have LGT and a modernist/progressive bent.
Pat
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Another problem I have noted as I have been getting old (er) is that I’m losing muscle which seems to take up less space than the fat that has replaced it. The result: If I remain the same weight I take up more space.
Thanks for such a good overview. I do agree that the Adventist theology of the 50-70’s is basically gone with more of the 2 that you mentioned. Any theories as to why this is so now?
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Simply stated, I think interestingly, classical Protestant theology has been judged as inadequate by both groups views. The foundational premise used to legitimize the writing of the GC.
Now there is a controversy between the advocates of “west coast” and “east coast” church theology. “Progressive vs. primarily LGT”
I am open to other overviews. Nothing is completely monolithic especially at the various congregation level. Just major forces.
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Why do you think that both groups judge it as “inadequate”?
Michael here is reality about age. We loose about 1% muscle mass and muscle strength by about 1/2 % after the age of 40. That’s very broad because it represents a average. Now we can slow that down a bit but time is time.
Muscle strength, muscle endurance, balance, flexibility, are all dependent upon the bodies ability to being nourished. You drive a car, the manufacturer of your car said this engine needs 5,6 quarts of oil. Let’s say it calls for six quarts. The car will run on five quarts but your doing damage to the internal parts and eventually do damage. The body and all its systems depends on nutrition delivered by the heart and lungs. Sure the body will run on low oil so to speak but your wearing out the parts.
Never done any tabulation but guessing I would say 80-90% of my patients start their weight loss program with at least six weeks of cardio training because if we start with their intended goal of gaining muscle strength or muscle endurance find are not able to feed the parts ( muscle tissue, ligaments, tendons, etc.) with the nutrition they need to preform. So your really defeating your objective.
When you replace fat tissue with lean tissue, muscle, you will not see a great deal of weight loss. Your replacing one kind of tissue with another kind of tissue. After about four weeks most of my patients come to me and say things like " I have been doing all this cardio but I am not loosing weight". Then I will ask how do your cloths fit. Most times they say that their cloths don’t fit and they are buying new cloths.
There is more that goes into being successful in reaching your intended goals but I am starting to get long with this post so I will leave you with this; go see a Exercise Physiologist and DONT go get a personal trainer. You can become a personal trainer in about eight hous on the Internet. Exercise Physiologist are able to evaluate all the systems, environment, genetics, life’s past, ( injury, body type, age, experience in exercise, we ask a bunch of questions) .
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LGT because of JBF “alone”. “Progressives” dont believe "blood atonement " is necessary and dont believe also in JBF "alone "
So their one commonality is to refuse the core classical Protestant belief.
From there their various complaints vary.
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This sounds like The Moral Influence Theory, where the crucifixion and Resurrection were just metaphors, and God is looking for people “safe to save” whom He wants to be friends with.
Progressives DO believe in Righteousness by Faith in Christ alone; it is a foundational pillar of Protestantism.
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