North American Division Again Requests GC Rescind the 2018 Compliance Document — NADYEM19 Report 3

The start of Daylight Savings Time here in the United States meant the delegates to the 2019 North American Division Year-end Meetings got an extra hour of sleep before a full day of business on Sunday, November 3.

The business session kicked off at 9:00 a.m. with Ella Simmons, General Conference general vice president, and John Thomas, associate secretary of the GC, presenting the new World Strategic Plan for 2020-25 with the theme “I Will Go.”

Simmons asked the delegates if they knew what the current strategic plan theme is, but they did not. One person guessed “TMI” (Total Member Involvement), but Simmons said no, the current theme for 2015-20 is “Reach the World.”

Simmons and Thomas then shared the “Resolution on the Holy Bible” and the “Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White” that will be officially voted at GC Session 2020. These were first discussed at Annual Council last month, where the Executive Committee approved them to be sent on to the Session delegates for official adoption or rejection.

Simmons read the resolution on the Bible and then NAD President Dan Jackson moved that this body show its support by voting on it, which the delegates did unanimously. Next, Thomas discussed the statement regarding EGW’s writings, but in the interest of time, did not read it. Thomas then moved that the body vote its affirmation of this statement as well, but several delegates protested, saying they could not vote on something they had not read.

After some discussion, Thomas summarized the statement and told the delegates where they could find it online, but it was agreed they would not vote until they were able to read it first. Both statements were printed in the Annual Council agenda which can be found here. The Bible resolution appears on pg. 33 and the EGW statement of confidence is on pg. 34.

A video presentation from the Adventist Media Ministries department was up next, and caused the most discussion during the morning session. When the floor was opened to questions after the video, Mark Galvez, the student delegate from Southern Adventist University requested that the NAD involve collegiate and post-collegiate young people in the planning and development of media so it is more relevant to the concerns of the younger generations.

“I can guarantee you my friends are not asking, ‘where do the dead go when they die?’ or many deep theological questions. We’re asking questions about depression and anxiety and why my brother died of an overdose,” said Galvez.

Lay delegate Deborrah Jackson made a motion that the young people in the room be able to get together and come up with a plan for funding to present to the NAD, which was passed, but conversation continued. Galvez’ concerns sparked several delegates to affirm the role young people need to play and how the various levels of the church structure can better support their media efforts. Dan Linrud, Oregon Conference president, shared how his conference worked into its budget a way to bring the Humans of Adventism creator, Kaleb Eisele, on in a contract position to develop and run Oregon Adventist Stories, how they hired Justin Khoe of That Christian Vlogger fame to train and equip young pastors in digital evangelism strategies, and more.

Before the lunch break, a surprise presentation was announced, in honor of Dan Jackson and his wife, Donna. Executive Secretary G. Alexander Bryant stressed that this was not a farewell to the Jacksons, as they will be in office for several more months. This is simply a time to honor him in the presence of this particular committee, which will not be reconvened before his retirement.

Bryant talked about the long hours the administrative team spends in the Executive Board Room, praying, laughing, and crying together over various issues, and how Jackson has a gift for alignment and collaboration with his team, and so they thought it fitting to name the board room in his honor: The Daniel R. Jackson Executive Board Room. Several other rooms in the NAD building are named after past presidents as well.

Donna Jackson, who serves as the Spouses Association leader and an associate director for NAD Ministerial also received recognition. Desiree Bryant, assistant director of Adventist Education, shared with the audience the ways that Donna makes others feel special and welcome each day. Mrs. Jackson was presented with an engraved vase full of flowers. The engraving reads, “Thank you for being a flower in our garden of life.”

After lunch, the committee returned to discuss two of the big ticket items: the General Conference’s response to the NAD’s requests last year on rescinding the compliance document and tithe parity.

Jackson first relayed to the committee the response from the GC regarding rescinding the compliance document. The NAD’s request included the following:

• That the GC Executive Committee at its 2019 Annual Council rescind the action approving the document that was voted at the 2018 Annual Council.

• That the 2019 Annual Council “revise any policies that enable majority fields to dictate management of non-doctrinal, non-biblical issues to minority fields… and create policies that protect the interests of minority fields.”

• That an item be placed on the 2020 GC Session agenda calling for a statement by the world church that 1) “affirms our shared respect for the richness and variety of the multiple cultures and practices in which we minister” and 2) “empowers ministry that is sensitive to the local context.”

The GC responded “no” to the first two points, but was willing to have further conversations about how best to affirm the variety of cultures represented in the Church, said Jackson.

Ron Carlson, president of the Kansas-Nebraska Conference, asked for clarification on how the structure of the church works in terms of such requests. Since the divisions are part of the GC, isn’t the GC essentially refusing a request from itself? Are the divisions equals or subordinates with the GC? In my conference, said Carlson, if someone with authority requests something to go back to the Executive Committee, it will go back. “It doesn’t mean [the committee] has to do what [the person] said, but it will go back. So, I don’t understand how our body, being a division of the General Conference, can vote to have something go back to the next Annual Council and simply be told ‘no.’”

Jackson replied the he feels like, as with any other administration, the leadership sat together and thought about whether they should or shouldn’t return the document to Annual Council, and in the end, it was decided it would not be returned. “So, I don’t know any other way to answer that question,” he concluded.

The conversation then turned to the warnings the two NAD unions (Columbia and Pacific) had received, including why in the initial Annual Council motion, the four European unions were to receive warnings, while the two NAD union presidents were singled out as individuals to receive public reprimands, and what does it mean that ultimately what was voted was warnings for all six unions. Jackson responded that he believed, in the minds of GC leadership, that the NAD unions were perceived as having “persistent non-compliance” which set them apart. Bryant added that he felt the Executive Committee body recognized that an inconsistent application of the disciplinary actions was being applied, which is why they voted to amend the motion and simply warn the NAD unions, instead of publicly reprimand.

Furthermore, Jackson affirmed the leaders of the Columbia Union and the Pacific Union, saying as far as the North American Division is concerned, the unions are in good standing, and are just as accepted and loved as any other union. “We [the NAD] have no way to relate to the warning idea, nor will we,” said Jackson.

A motion was requested to again return points one and two of the NAD’s 2019 request to the General Conference for consideration at the 2020 Annual Council. The motion passed with 138 in favor, 87 opposed, and 3 abstentions.

The discussion then turned to tithe parity. At last year’s NAD Year-end Meetings, the NAD had requested parity with other divisions. The NAD currently remits 6.10% of its tithe back to the General Conference for use in other divisions, while the other divisions remit 2% of their tithe back to the GC. At the 2019 Annual Council last month, the Executive Committee voted that the NAD would decrease its percentage over the next four years down to 3%, plus an additional 0.85% because Loma Linda University Health and Andrews University reside in its territory. Meanwhile, the other divisions will come up to 3% over the next 10 years.

Bryant shared with the NAD delegates that conversation with the GC began shortly after last year’s NAD meetings and continued through August with an unprecedented meeting at Oshkosh Pathfinder Camporee. Bryant added that he felt the GC showed a deliberate and determined effort to work with NAD leadership on this issue.

GC Treasurer Juan Prestol-Puesan then took the delegates through the history of tithe sharing between the NAD and other divisions, from 1990 to present. During the past year’s discussions on tithe parity, the world strongly supported this request, said Prestol. When the division officers voted on it internally, 12 of the 14 territories were in favor. (There are 13 divisions plus the Middle East and North Africa Union Mission which is attached to the General Conference, for a total of 14 territories).

When the floor was opened for questions, several delegates expressed gratitude to both the General Conference and the world divisions for being so understanding of the NAD’s desire to better do mission in its own territory. Eric Brown, Idaho Conference pastor, asked rhetorically if there are lessons that can be learned from how the tithe parity discussion was handled with such grace from all involved. “How might we approach other issues in this same way?” he asked.

In two separate motions, the delegates unanimously voted to affirm the actions of the General Conference Executive Committee at Annual Council regarding tithe parity, and to express appreciation to them for the change.

The NADYEM19 meetings are being live-streamed and are available on the NAD’s website here: https://www.nadadventist.org/news/2019-nad-year-end-meeting-news-and-video-coverage as well as on the NAD’s Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/NADAdventist/

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Alisa Williams is managing editor of SpectrumMagazine.org

Image: President Daniel R. Jackson and Donna Jackson are honored at the 2019 NAD Year-end Meetings. Photo by Pieter Damsteegt, courtesy of the NAD on Flickr.

Editor's Note (UPDATE: Nov. 5, 2019 at 11:00 a.m.): The list of items in the NAD's motion to rescind the 2018 document have been edited for clarity.

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It must be exceptionally frustrating for the NAD to deal with the personalities at the GC. The GC people live in their own bubble, a different universe, more interested in power & control than anything else.

I hope the GC/2020 will change this deplorable condition, that a new crew gets the ship and corrects the course.

Wishful thinking? Yeah, I know it is… At least nothing changes in my local Church, so… :+1: :+1:

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I was wondering HOW LONG “Total Member Involvement” would be used.
That would mean WOMEN as well as men would be asked to be authorized.
So “Just Go” is more SDA GC “politically correct”. But even that is NOT good
enough.
“Reach the World” really does NOT say Anything that Jesus did not say just
prior to His return to heaven on the mountain. So really nothing new or exciting.
It is very Generic that ALL the Christian groups [Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox]
have as the purpose for their being.

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Everyone NEEDS to read pgs 33 and 34. The Bible, The Writings of Ellen White.

  1. Science teaching will HAVE to abide by page 33. OR, the Science teacher will
    be assumed to be “out of compliance with SDA teachings.”
  2. Ellen “corrects the Bible teachings”.
    These are pretty STRONG statements.
    Sooooo, Ellen’s teaching in 1890’s in a letter stating that God created Humans
    to replace Satan and his angelic followers IS an SDA TEACHING [Doctrine].
    !! All the evils from “secret sin” are true as reported in the pamphlet to mothers.
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Steve, those people need to have their heads examined, and be prepared for the worst results…

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I am sure that it will be 100% vote “Yes”.
with zero “No” votes.
?? Will “amalgamation” be an SDA Doctrine? Ellen said it.

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Steve, those people have no idea of what they are getting into. Is the shut door the best example of her inerrancy? :roll_eyes:

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@niteguy2, “Total Member Involvement” is still being used, but that is an evangelistic campaign, not a strategic plan theme like “Reach the World” and “I Will Go” are.

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Thx.
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Well, I agree that at least one or two of her statements are correct.

These come to mind:


“It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.” August 26,1898, in 1899 GC Bulletin, p. 74.

“Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference is the voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I thought it was almost blasphemy. The voice of the Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle.” April 1, 1901, Ms. 37-1901.


Wow! She could see into the future and saw Kniving Ted!

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So very not progressive! A wish for a vote in favor for both statements… The NAD doesn’t even get close to its reputation in regard to hermeneutics.

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Wow. Pretty awful. I wonder why I remain a member. Some examples:

The whole Bible is inspired and must be understood as a whole in order to arrive at correct conclusions as to the truth on any revealed topic.

What an ridiculous statement. The bible is not a whole. It is very literally a collection of between 66 and 73 individual works, depending on whether or not you have the gall to throw some of them out, written by different people with wildly different theological viewpoints in different languages over about 1000 years. It contains markedly different types of literature, from quasi-history to poetry to prophecy. It contains the writings of at least two very different religions. It was assembled over time by committee and finally bound together in one “book”, which for many years in the early church was correctly refereed to as “our books”. How naive is our church?

We commit ourselves to prayerfully study and follow the Bible, the living and effective Word of God.

Good, 'cause whoever wrote this overtly simplistic resolution needs to go back and start over. I can hardly agree with even one word of it.

Thus, the Bible stands as the norm for all religious experience inasmuch as it reveals and teaches the truth and explains how its effects are manifested on the intellect, feelings, and affections.

Really? For “all religious experience”? Rather arrogant, given that no other world religion uses the Christian bible. How can their religious experience be based on the bible, when they don’t use the bible at all? Someone - who wrote this - must have just fell off a turnip truck.

We believe that the writings of Ellen G White were inspired by the Holy Spirit and are Christ-centered and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations imposed upon it. They also help us to overcome the human tendency to accept from the Bible what we like and distort or disregard what we do not like.

If that last sentence is not the definition of the pot calling the kettle black, I do not know what is.

The study of these [EGW] writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare God’s people to face the challenges of these last days as we approach Christ’s soon return.

Still beating that drum, huh, despite Jesus very direct statements that we do not know when Jesus will return? That not even he knows?


Is everything the GC does as cockamamie as these ridiculous statements?

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Can you expand no this? I don’t think I understand…

You beat me to the punch…my thoughts exactly. It’s astonishing how they don’t see how this applies to the SDA church in so many ways and instances. Do any of the so called “scholars” see this? EGW corrects inaccurate interpretations? Wow!

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:laughing: Ok, me trying to make a lil more sense of myself. I have always thought that the NAD is more progressive in regard to hermeneutics. I have been proven wrong. Those two statements are just pure fundamentalism. The EGW statement is terrible, but the Bible one isn’t any better. You have given examples of this nightmare.

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Indeed, not the Bible correcting EGW, but the other way round. I hope the NAD will not vote in favor of this anti sola scriptura stuff. But again, I’m losing more and more hope of progressive ideas or even protestant ideas outside of the local churches. If you think about it, it’s kinda funny because conferences, unions, divisions consist of these local church members.

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If we have any actual biblical scholars of any merit they surely didn’t write these statements. They must cringe when they read them.

Why the church doesn’t let such educated people write this stuff is beyond me. Maybe we literally don’t have any such people, or they don’t want to be involved, or they are ignored.

Or, it could be that reality is too scary for the GC. Things like:

  • The earth is very old.
  • Life has been here a very long time.
  • There was no worldwide flood of waters that covered all the mountains.
  • The bible - Paul, in his authentic writings - very directly teaches that the Law (all of it) was fulfilled and is no longer in effect. Including, of course, all 10 of the 10 commandments as well as the other ~600.
  • Jesus stated as much.
  • Jesus also stated that we cannot know when he will return. That he doesn’t know. That only the God the Father knows.

So:
Sabbath > Out, regardless of the day of the week on the Pagan Roman calendar, which wasn’t in use in bible times.
Jesus coming “soon” > Out. We cannot know.


Here are my proof-texts, Adventist style (only if you read around them the text it will actually reinforce these thoughts):

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that by nature are not gods [likely referring to Judaism/the law, and pagan gods]. Now, however, that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits? [or forces, tied to pagan ideas of nature gods associated with the world] How can you want to be enslaved to them again? You are observing special days [sabbaths included, as likely proposed by the Jewish missionaries that had visited the Galatians, which Paul was railing against], and months, and seasons, and years. [likely various Jewish holy events]. I am afraid that my work for you may have been wasted. - Paul, Galatians 4

Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. - Paul, Galatians 3

For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” - Paul, Galatians 5

Live by the Spirit, I say, … if you are led by the Spirit, you are not subject to the law. - Paul, Galatians 5

But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. - Jesus, Matthew 24

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To be clear, these are statements that the GC came up with. And the NAD reps did affirm them.

So, yes, they’re either brown-nosing to keep their little jobs or they’re as bad as the GC for believing this nonsense. Not sure which is worse.

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The EGW Statement was delayed and not yet affirmed. Yes, I read both statements as part of the AC19 Agenda, and also about the affirmation at AC19 without discussion that our webEddie told us about in the Lounge.
Maybe you’re right, and there is a possibility of them being more progressive, but fear for their jobs. I respect that.

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