North Pacific Union Delegates Not Allowed a Vote on Women’s Ordination

Concerns over equity, diversity, inclusion, and accountability swirl around the North Pacific Union Conference of Seventh-day Adventists (NPUC) as it prepares for its first constituency session since 2016. This is according to recent interviews with more than a dozen NPUC constituents, some of whom spoke to Spectrum on the record and several on condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation. “The constituents of the North Pacific Union must be on the front line of diversity, as well as equity and inclusion,” said Reginald Richardson Jr., pastor of Your Bible Speaks Seventh-day Adventist Church in Portland, Oregon. “Those in opposition may be disappointed upon their arrival in heaven. Heaven is the headquarters of diversity, equity, inclusion, and reconciliation.”


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at http://spectrummagazine.org/node/11924

It would seem that a cottage industry could be spawned where camp meeting hand fans could be distributed to delegates with GO WO printed on them.

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It’s clear and transparent, the NPUC decided to stay in the medieval stage of development instead of joining other Unions that already walked into the 21st Century. RIP NPUC.

I like the idea, GO WO!

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I wonder if the author truly understands the statement he makes in this first sentence. The use of the terms equity, diversity, inclusion, and accountability have some counter-measures when mixed in with “accountability”. I would think that accountability is a measurement resulting from capability and accomplishment. The terms equity, diversity, and inclusion do not add as qualifiers for capability and accomplishment and therefore do not apply to accountability. Equity for instance is a removal from some in order to give to an undeserving other and is used within a racist minded discussion.
Mr. Alexander Carpenter, I wonder if you are actually following the line of thought within your sentences?

Oh, my! I wonder who would have agreed to putting that into print? That shows racism if I ever saw it.

Regarding voting on women’s ordination, well, if they are qualified to do the tasks, they by all means should be allowed, but not merely because they are one of the two genders God created. I wonder why there is a refusal to allow the voting on women’s ordination?

50% increase in female pastors might mean they’ve gone from 2 to 3. I wonder what the real number is or what percentage of the total number of pastors females make up.

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Yesterdays men, in yesterdays church, can only respond to yesterdays issues. They are not equipped for todays world.

Some facts. In 2021 the NPUC had 1.4 baptisms for every 100 members. The average for North America for that year was 2.0 baptisms. Another way of framing it is that it takes 71 adventists to make a new adventist, compared with 50 adventists on average to make a newbie. Not winning on that front.

The NPUC members are also dying off 25% faster than the North American average, for each of the past two years.

But nah, nothings broke, so no need to fix it. We have the “truth”, and abide by it, and that is all that matters.

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I wonder who you attribute the powers of creation to in the case of the LGBTQ+ population.
Yes, who created the gays, the lesbians, etc? If there is one in your family, who created that person?
Just curious… :wink:

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Isn’t it baffling that a so unsuccessful Union, where 70 people are needed to make one conversion happen, is so retrograde that it’s poor leadership keeps fighting towards enforcing discrimination of women? Don’t they havbe some real work to do?

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I’d say it’s quite logical. One, the desire to retain the attitudes of the previous century (or the one before that), precipitates the other.

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Many older Adventists still enjoy the spirit of the 19th And 20rh Centuries Church. They just live in the past, stagnated in that illusional mode in which the Adventist Church is guided by God in detail. And then there is the “remnant” isuue…

Well…, we now live in the year 2022 but those people appear not to be aware of such. Moreover, the discovery of many disturbing facts about the Church and Ellen White in recent years may be too hard for them to digest. It’s easier and more practical for them to just keep their heads in the sand.

Unfortunately, the Church’s leadership is in the hands of old and outdated people.

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Congratulations to the NPUC for achieving a 50% increase of their female pastors the past five years! That can represent a count of 2, one more than what they had 5 years ago. Yet they are “blessed” that 12 of 38 FT are married to each other. But because “it” is a common practice in the world church, they do have a compelling justification.

Who says the NPUC does not know their priorities?

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Hi Elmer, did I miss something or did they actually only disclose a 50% increase in female pastors without mentioning the real number?
The percentage is sure great, thought the real numbers may be just insignificant.

I wonder if anyone can provide the real number of female pastors at the NPUC. Or will there be a need for a raid (a la Mar-a-Lago!) to obtain the documents? :wink:

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The percentage number is more impressive so I doubt they will disclose the actual count.

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LeadershiP like that needs to be voted OUT and replaced by people who can keep the pace with the social and scientific advances of this century.

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That’s way too high an expectation. I think you should tone it down. Why, to do that they’d have to acknowledge that the universe is ~14 billion years old, our sun is 4.6 billion years old, and the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Among other basic scientific facts.

Here are some highlights:

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George, I agree whole heartedly. But we had an opportunity just recently to de-Ted the head of the church and look what happened. We have a very legalistic heavy constituency in Africa, South America and some other parts of the world. They have way more votes than North America. We are stuck with a democratically controlled church. And so the folk in these, mostly 3 world countries, who still often practice genital mutilation and witchcraft and who would never think of letting a woman speak from the pulpit, are in control. If God wanted to fix it, He could. But so far, that isn’t happening.

If we were sickos like the right-wing Christians in America, we would simply pray that Ted would die just like they did for years with the liberals on the supreme court. I am not thrilled with that option.

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Not a chance for Adventism. Acknowledging those facts would be like bombarding the Twin Towers with airplanes - we know what the results are. Therefore, the only option is for us to move forward as individuals, just ignoring/dismissing the Church’s fantasies.

Thanks for providing those links, will read them right away.

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Lynden, The changes needed to de-cult the Adventist Church are not possible to happen. After so many years seeing things happening (you know, things happen…) I am fully convinced that “it is what it is.” There is no possibility of unrooting this Church from EGW’s “boox” and make it a Bible-based Church. The Adventist mentality is becoming more obsolete (and more cultic) as we keep distancing from 1844… This report on the NPUC is very revealing in this sense.

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Time to be rid of the Wilson dynasty on down. Is it any wonder that so many of the educated young leave this fossilized church?

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No wonder, it is just the obvious. Educated people process issues in a different manner and it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to mesmerize them with the “remnant church” concept and the Whiteism that is the foundation of this Church.

“Fossilized” is a perfect word to characterize the Church’s status quo.

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