Oregon Conference Calls on GC to Comply with Tithe Policy


#23

Are you sure these were not independent ministry pastors doing this?
I have some in my district doing the same to their followers.
I don’t know any SDA pastors that would do such a thing. If they are
it should be reported to someone in their church and not just put out
there. If it goes no where in the church it should be reported to the Conference
they are in. I work for honest Conference men and women who I’m proud
to serve “under”. They wouldn’t sanction such pressure.


(Steve Mga) #24

Ransom –
Jesus says we are to pray for everyone.
Friends.
Enemies.
Persecutors [those actually doing us harm].


#25

Amen. Not easy to do. But a blessing to do so.


(Johnny Carson) #27

Absolutely NOT independent. Some were actually officers in the local conference and others were ministerial interns employed by the same conference.


(Cfowler) #28

This is where I would tell the “pastors” that what I give, is between me and God. And…never speak to me about my tithe again. And then they would be asked to leave my home immediately!

This a horrible thing for these so called pastors to do…but, not at all surprising.


(George Tichy) #29

Elmer,
Did the GC people forget to tell you that the Compliance Inquisition Crusade was designed to target only “the others” and not the GC people?
How did you miss this one???.. LOL


(George Tichy) #30

Those pastor must be nuts! How can they do such a thing? It is attempted robbery!!!

What’s their names? The GC should be notified immediately!!!
(They will certainly get … a promotion!!! :rofl: )


(George Tichy) #31

Tell your mother in law to be on alert. Next time those pastors show up she should ask them at the door if they plan to talk about money. If so, tell her to give them $10 each for lunch and kick them out! Those are not pastors, those are hungry mercenaries!!! And report it to the Union!


(Johnny Carson) #32

That’d be a trick, George! Communicating with the dead and all. I’m sure those that don’t already want me kicked out of the church would align themselves with those that do and I’d be toast!

Seriously though, I think you meant to address the advice to @Carlo :slight_smile:


(George Tichy) #33

Oooooops!!!
Well, I hope Carlo @Carlo uses my suggestion, and, on a second thought… $5 should be enough!!! Sometimes those guys eat more than they deserve!!! :wink:


(Joselito Coo) #34

Besides the request for anonymity, there must be other reasons for sending tithe directly to the GC, bypassing the Oregon Conference, NPUC and the NAD. Why? Go figure. Donors – individuals and local congregations – have rights, too. Correct? I know of local congregations that withheld tithe for some time because their local conference officials wouldn’t listen to them. Just saying.

I, for one, am disappointed with the behavior of the leadership of the Oregon Conference by not following Matthew 18.

The Message (MSG)

15-17 “If a fellow believer hurts you, go and tell him—work it out between the two of you. If he listens, you’ve made a friend. If he won’t listen, take one or two others along so that the presence of witnesses will keep things honest, and try again. If he still won’t listen, tell the church. If he won’t listen to the church, you’ll have to start over from scratch, confront him with the need for repentance, and offer again God’s forgiving love.


#36

Oh snap! Here we go again.


(Heather Alarcon) #37

That really hits a nerve…sounds like TV preachers…“give me more money so God will bless you!” :angry:

(This was in reply to the comment about asking an elderly lady to increase her tithe to 30%. I’m not sure why it didn’t seem to have shown that.)


#38

Clearly they discussed it as the article says they found out about it via conversation with GC members, so saying they didn’t follow biblical protocol is not true.

It is the GC who is not following protocol, biblical or their own, with the establishment of these compliance committees.


(Johnny Carson) #39

You don’t know that they didn’t discuss this privately and failing that with others as witnesses. You. Just. Don’t. Know.


#40

How about when Conferences go out of policy and take the money from the NAD and use it for something else instead of following policy and give it to the Seminarians who went self-sponsor to seminary ?


(Elmer Cupino) #41

Good suggestion except have you considered the logistics involved in changing every administrator? Can you imagine who would fund such a program? George @GeorgeTichy has a better way, ignore the administrators, focus on your local church and give only to the extent you are willing to give. Those administrators hear a different drum and are measured by how many they baptize and how much money they bring in to the church. The rest are “noise.”


(Elmer Cupino) #42

There is no organization on earth that is fully in compliance with their working policy. As long as we remain created beings, we will always need supervision. Just ask the IRS. If our current GC leaders think they can form 5 GC Review Committees to police others and not themselves, they have entered a zone only fit for people needing psychological help from the likes of Dr. Tichy @GeorgeTichy . This is where our leaders have failed us. Big time! This scenario which was initiated by our great leader TW reminds me of families where the parents have regressed to being infantile and the children have assumed the parental roles. Imagine the waste of time and valuable resources of our church just to satisfy the delusions of our current GC leaders. Staggering.


(Elmer Cupino) #43

Can you hear the horses hoofs from Portland all the way to the coast? That must be a big pow-wow in Portland! It’s been sometime since I was a member of Stone Tower but Portland has since gone “hippie” the way of San Francisco in the 60s.


(Elmer Cupino) #44

OK, enough with the technicalities and down to the gist of the issue, is the GC non compliant with our church policy and needs to return the monies to the Oregon Conference?