Prophets in Conflict: Issues in Authority — Book Review

Thanks George,
but I haven’t been any place. I read Spectrum routinely, but I keep my pearls close to my chest.
Learning to practice the art of listening (and weeping when appropriate).


There is an interesting quote in the SOP about counting rooms and gaming tables. All of the activities mentioned in that passage that keep people too busy for God were impacted by COVID-19. Almost like God’s judgment was specifically directed to get the attention of the worldly minded before the Investigative Judgment is closed forever. You, know the ones that are so worldly minded that they are no heavenly good

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I just jumped onto the EGWwritings site and read a few passages to find what you might be referencing. Not sure how any of these passages might be alluding to the present. Mostly it’s EGW saying that “our people” should have nothing to do with the world of business and that Adventists should live in their own bubble without contact with the world. It’s the sectarian nature of this denomination shining through.

Jesus met people where they were. He never spent any time talking about withdrawing from others and was able to bring comfort to people from all parts of society. If we are to emulate him why would we separate ourselves from others?

Interestingly, this idea of living separately is addressed in the book being discussed above. The section on the compilation “Country Living” goes into it. The book is available for $9.99 on kindle.


Off topic, but necessary:

To @Harry_Allen

I am posting this comment here because that conversation just closed a few minutes ago (that unhelpful* “7-day” rule) and I want to clarify something:

Hey, I was only giving you feedback, you do whatever you want though. I was not reading that stuff in that formar anyway because to me, just to me may be, it was totally annoying.

Maybe you should edit that long “in response” post directed to Allen, so that can understand it better… :roll_eyes: :innocent: (Yes, you can edit your posts even if the topic is closed)

*- I wanted to say “stupid rule” but it probably would not be appropriate…


It’s not resentment on my part but then Harry has difficulty with listening. The art of communication is lost when someone insists on doing the very thing that causes others not to listen. Maybe other people enjoy his presentation and we are in the minority.


Thanks, @GeorgeTichy.

I shouldn’t have said “resent,” because you didn’t say you resented it.

That was hasty. I apologize.

I should have said, “The system of marking my responses that @GeorgeTichy and @2humBaby* consider absolutely ridiculous.”

As evidenced, those are words he used, and with which you concurred.


Thanks, @2humBaby

I don’t typically respond to posts about me. So, this is an exception.

When you think about it, you can’t know if I have difficulty listening, or not, because listening is cognitive, and thus invisible to 2nd parties.

This is true, much the way that I couldn’t know that you resented my formatting, or not.

Now, you could say, for example, “It appears Harry has difficulty with listening,” much as I could have spoken to, “The system of marking my responses that @GeorgeTichy and @2humBaby appear to resent.”

In both cases, neither of us would have had a claim against the other, because we’d be speaking about our own cognition.

In any event, I apologize for saying what you “resent.” I simply do not know, and cannot speak about it, unless you do so, first.


As humans, in our day-to-day lives, use speculation, and that’s normal. But speculation is not the process of the Bible writers and the prophets. They were inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is the speculation that brought us into this never-ending controversy.
For example, she says, Adam and Eve might have eaten of the forbidden tree before the prohibition was placed on it. She copied this from Melvill. Does it sound reasonable in the light of the Bible account? And Eve’s encounter with Satan was a pure fiction, adapted from Paradise Lost, the list goes on…
Adding to and deleting from the Bible is condemned by God.


Yeah, us lovable porcine cousins here on Spectrum certainly are unable to appreciate those pearls as we should… Shouldst? :wink:

At any rate, gone or not, welcome back, Henry!

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There are many such ‘obscure’ things in her works. One is "the amalgamation of man and beast"!


OK Harry, I don’t know how much more time you are planning to spend on this issue, resent or not resent…, but on my side I am done with it. There’s nothing else to be discussed about it, so I am out now. I defer to Chuck @2humBaby, I bet he will gladly keep the entertainment rolling. :open_mouth: :innocent:


You bet wrong! I’m with you George. In my opinion you can’t debate with Harry.

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Yes, according to her angels did not know the real position of the Son of God. Then came John Milton to supply the information:
Story of Redemption, p. 13: “The Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels confer special honour upon His SonThe Father made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ, His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was His own presence.”

Paradise Lost, (1896 ed.) Book V, 584-585; 600; 602-608: “Of angels by imperial summons called. Innumerable before th’ Almighty’s throneHear, all ye Angels … Hear my decree, which unrevoked shall stand. This day I have begot whom I declare My only Son, and on this holy hill Him have anointed, whom ye now behold At my right hand; Your head I him appoint; and by My Self I have sworn to him shall bow All knees in Heav’n, and shall confess him Lord.”


Hey Chuck,
One of my parakeets told me that about you, so I guess I have to fire him. He may be one of those Jesuits infiltrated in the aviary. Problem is that he is yellow, and there are many of them with the same color. In Saudi Arabia, all of them would be beheaded and dismembered (with Trump’s approval… :roll_eyes:) . Not here though; I will be merciful to them, this way they won’t “resent” me … :innocent:


Can you give detailed specifics as to how the HS inspires mere human brings and how to distinguish between the holy and unholy spirit.

Now my turn to be critical.


I cannot imagine Adventists as bubble people.

Cousins? Is that where the term “long pork” comes from?

I didn’t think anyone missed me. Thanks for your gracious welcome.

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It was attempted humor, an oblique reference to “casting pearls before swine”.

And you’re welcome, even though I don’t agree at all with your prophetic or basic doctrianal paradigm, I think discussion is good.


Henry, you appear to be a great guy. It’s your math that may be a little crooked. So, my unsolicited opinion is, don’t bring up dates into the conversation and everyone will keep liking you, believe me.

I am sure about it based on my personal experience. I NEVER brought a single date into any conversation, and this why everyone, and I mean everyone, just loves me here. Believe me, believe me. :+1: :+1:


I sure am glad that you didn’t say “stupid rule”.


Oh no, that would have been really bad. I would never follow such a depraved impulse. Out of my vocab, this for sure!..