Revival & Reformation Planning Team Responds to 11 Days of Prayer Article


(Spectrumbot) #1

On January 3, Spectrum published a satirical article by Sevvy, a blogger at BarelyAdventist.com, entitled, "GC Schedules Worldwide 10 Days of Prayer Over 11 Days." While that article was a humor piece, the General Conference Revival and Reformation planning team, responsible for the Ten Days of Prayer initiative, took it seriously enough to issue the following email response offering an explanation of the numbering of days (this is not satire, for those following along at home). -Ed.

Dear Barely Adventist,

We noticed that you caught on to the 11 calendar days included in the #10Days2015 prayer event this year. It’s reassuring to know that our church membership is raising the next generation to be clever and observant. Go you!

We’ve found that it’s a natural time for many churches to launch the event during their Wednesday night prayer meeting, and to end on Sabbath morning where people can share their stories of experiencing the power of prayer.

If you don’t mind us explaining, the 11-day span is somewhat of an optical illusion. It’s intended to be a nod to the “evenings and mornings” structure of that “literal, 6-day Creation” you mentioned. So the Ten Days event is set to begin the evening before (on the night of January 7th), and then run for ten consecutive days. If you count 10 evenings and mornings from the night of the 7th, you’ll end on Saturday morning of January 17th.

You’re right though, we probably could have included an explanation of this to make it more clear. That way Pastor Tan could have given a more satisfying answer to his super observant 4th-grade son.

On the bright side, his son sounds very smart and would probably make a great GC executive someday, with all that well-developed attention to detail! Perhaps we could consider him for the new accelerated leadership grooming and young interns program we’re organizing? Let us know if he’s interested!

It’s good to know the young people of our church are so closely engaged with what we do. We hope you’ll be praying somewhere, for at least 10 of the 11 days scheduled.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at http://spectrummagazine.org/node/6551

(Mercy triumphs over judgment. James 2:13) #2

Nice light-hearted response. I like it.


(Thomas J Zwemer) #3

Now how will they handle it in Samoa? Tom Z


(Sirje) #4

Will you be publishing the results?


#5

The Sabbath lasts 48 hours each week. Not a literal 24 hours. Somewhere on earth for 48 hours each week it is the Sabbath. I would like to hear a GC response to that one. Preferably from the same guy who said I wasn’t a real Adventist for not believing in a literal 7 day 24 hour creation (as we experience it today).


(jeremy) #6

looks like sevvy wasn’t savvy enough on this one…some people get mixed up with concepts of time…whatever time one chooses as a starting point on january 7, if one ends at that same time on january 17, and assuming each day is 24-hrs, there can only be 10 days…sevvy and others are thinking that the span between january 7 and january 17 is 11 because there are 11 dates…but there are only 10 days - january 7 doesn’t qualify as a day since it’s the starting point…


(Barrington Brennen) #7

I wonder why do we have Ten Days of Prayer in January when we just had a week of prayer in November. In some parts of the world Annual Week of Prayer is closely followed in November each year. I do not think both are needed. At least not so closely.


(Elaine Nelson) #8

Now if you can tell us what the first day they began counting down to seven at Sinai when Sabbath was first observed. It was a day earlier and a day later in the opposite side of the earth.

Maybe that’s why God only gave the Fourth Commandment to Israelites and no one else and in a very small dot of the earth where there were Sabbath always began at even on day and extended to even the next day. With a Jewish year of 360 days and 12 equal months, where did those five extra days go?

Each day of the week is a seventh day from where one begins counting; thus for all Sunday observers, they can say it is their seventh day! For the Jews and Adventists they also observe the seventh day but on a different day of the week.
They begin their work week on Monday and Sunday is the seventh day for rest.
How can it be a “wrong” day?; There is no wrong day to worship God


(jeremy) #9

this is typical illogic for those who are confused…the point is, no-one is on opposite ends of the earth at the same time…no-one keeps the sabbath on the basis of when it is where he isn’t…

this is contrary to the lesson god gave israel with respect to manna gathering in exodus 16…every day was the wrong day to gather two days worth of manna except the sixth day, and only the seventh day was mannaless…more fundamentally it’s contrary to the history of creation…only one day was sanctified…to say that any day is sanctified merely because we decide to number it differently, if we do, does not comport with the clear intent of either exodus 16 or genesis 2…it’s effectively destroying the text because we extract a meaning that doesn’t depend on the existence of the text…


(Robert Sonter) #10

I’m guessing they mean we would still be praying on Saturday morning, and would cease our prayers at sundown. Otherwise it would only be 9 and-a-half days of prayer… And that would be unfortunate as it might draw unintended comparison with the erotic novel “nine and-a-half weeks” :smile:


(Thomas J Zwemer) #11

Dr. C. Wood, Chaurman of Math and Dean at PUC for years, struggled with that question without resolution. Tom Zwemer


(Sirje) #12

No confusion for the Israelites since the first day of each month was the day following the new moon. :wink:

No one answered my first question [quote=“Sirje, post:4, topic:7558, full:true”]
Will you be publishing the results?
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The church has been praying for “revival and reformation” since Wilson came on the job. Is this new push getting ready for 2016 and unanimity on WO?


(Thomas J Zwemer) #13

For man that is no problem. he can’T yet fly at the speed of light. The command was from sundown to sundown, were every you are. The command was man for man not man for the commandment remember? Tom Z


(Yoyo7th) #14

Hey! Didn’t he denomination get cured of LAODICEAN at the end of the sabbath school lessons on R & R (Q3 - 2013)

What is the current problem?

Shouldn’t 13 lessons on R & R be long enough to fix the church?

Maybe 10 days isn’t long enough. How about 1,010 days?

“A reformation is needed among the people, but it should first begin its purifying work with the ministers.” 1 T 469

“It has often been presented to me that there should be less sermonizing by ministers acting merely as local pastors of churches, and that greater personal efforts should be put forth. Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath. Many who listen frequently to sermons, even though the truth be presented in clear lines, learn but little. Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible class study. Bible truth should be presented in such a simple, interesting manner that all can easily understand and grasp the principles of salvation.” EV 348


(Sirje) #15

That’s just the problem. When perfection is the goal, we never run out of campaigns for purity; and
who’s going to be apposed to prayer.


(Milton Marquez) #16

Great response GC! You put a smile on my face.


(Elaine Nelson) #17

Comparing gathering manna to worship? When God sanctified Sabbath and rested from His work, when did tell Adam and Eve to also rest on the seventh day? Where do you find account of them or anyone prior to Sinai observing the seventh day?

You know the definition of ASSUME? Which is what you’re doing when you assume that A&E and all prior to Sinai worshiped the seventh day. There’s is no evidence, nill, nada, in the Bible.

Also, where do you find in the entire Bible where non-Jewish Christians were commanded to observe ANY DAY? It’s outside the Bible.

Sirje, You are correct: the New Moon was the signal for the countdown to Sabbath, but no one is willing to recognize the numerous times in the Bible where the New Moon offerings and Sabbath are conjoined twins. Somehow, most ignore the problem of knowing when Sabbath was without the moon for their calculations. In Lev. 23, each of the special ceremonies, beginning with Sabbath was governed by the moon (called month). The “day of the month” meant "Day of the moon).


(jeremy) #18

well, where do you find an account of adam and eve or anyone prior to sinai NOT observing the seventh day…if this is something that was observed, and assumed by a jewish audience, why would minimalist moses bother to go there…the reality is, we know that jesus kept the sabbath, and claimed lordship over it, not to destroy what he had created, but to claim the right to interpret how to keep it…why bother fussing over how to keep something that was being done away with…


(Rheticus) #19

Ah, but they forgot to compensate for the other “how many days” issue that has Jesus in the grave for three days from Friday afternoon to before sun rise on Sunday


(Yoyo7th) #20

11 days?
Doesn’t the bible mention about pray without ceasing?