Role Determined or Role Determining?

As I discussed in my article last week, unless we change our theology about Babylon, the membership at large will never feel comfortable with the “Babylonians.” In this article, I will discuss three areas that need reforming if the Church is to dwell in the midst of Babylon in order to win people to Christ.

"Priests should be role determining and not role determined.”

With this statement Father Charles Maynes pressed upon the young seminarians attending the Werribee Catholic Seminary in Australia the importance for themselves and their parishioners to be creative in the way they lived and experienced their faith rather than blindly following prescribed pathways that tend to turn believers into cattle herded in only one direction. His main point was that society around them was changing at a rate never experienced before, challenging the old ways of doing things as well as offering any number of new avenues to explore.

As I pondered these words, it gradually dawned on me that most Seventh-day Adventists function within a role determined mode. Most do not feel free to experience their faith in ways that are innovative and invigorating. This can be observed in the three main areas that constitute the faith experience:

1. The Sabbath morning worship service

The predictability of a typical Sabbath morning worship service has killed a sense of awed expectation unless there is a visiting artist or a charismatic guest preacher. The ministers as well as most members are reluctant to be creative or to introduce anything removed from the prescribed format as presented in the Church Manual. It is therefore not surprising that the number of youth and young adults attending regularly is so small. David exclaimed:

I am glad when they say to me ‘Let us go to the house of the Lord. Our feet stand within thy gates.’ (Psalm 122:1, KJV)

This entire Psalm exudes a sense of great joy and enthusiasm. I am not aware that many believers feel that kind of excitement come Sabbath morning but I hope that I am wrong. I very often question my own feelings on Sabbath mornings. In David’s day, people did not go to the temple very often, not even every Sabbath. Is it possible that familiarity with the repeated uninspiring format has brought about the obvious loss of interest in the corporate worship experience, maybe even some contempt, as the proverb goes?

I enjoy opera and regularly go to the theatre to see new productions of my favorite operas. I am fascinated by the creativity of individual producers who come up with new ideas and concepts to give a new dimension to familiar works. The same goes for the interpretation of great classical music by different artists and conductors. The expectation in the foyer is palpable.

I often hear believers say that because worship has an audience of one — God — it follows that the experience has nothing or little to do with what the worshipers feel and enjoy. This understanding translates into worship services that have very little variety and almost no appeal to the sense of aesthetics. I suspect that the bland format has more to do with the Puritanical origins of the Church than with what God wants or not. Let the members individually or corporately embrace their God-given freedom to create a worship space that appeals to the whole person and not just the mind.

2. Public evangelism

The same problem is observed when it comes to evangelism. Mention the word and we think guest evangelist, a special venue, prophetic charts, etc. The method is the same whether it is on the radio, on the TV, or on a stage. We find the church operating within the same cherished, long-prescribed method. The approach to evangelism is certainly role determined. It is role determined both in the form and in the content.

Having served the church on four continents, my observation is that very few preachers feel free to take time and make the effort to determine what of the Adventist message is relevant to a given local context at a given time and, more importantly, how to present it in ways that the local audience can easily relate to, facilitating understanding and adherence. I doubt that SDA evangelists worldwide feel free to contextualize the Adventist understanding of the message of the Gospel.

Contextualization is giving the people the Bible answers to questions about life that people in their particular time and place are asking, in language and forms they can comprehend, and through appeals and arguments with force they can feel.” —Timothy Keller, Center Church, p. 89

Again, from the same author, “Christian communication is like building a bridge from the Scripture to the contemporary world. Proper contextualization is the act of bringing sound biblical doctrine all the way over the bridge by re-expressing it in terms coherent to a particular culture.” (Ibid, p. 101)

Maybe the thing that works the most against the evangelist’s freedom to contextualize is the often-used practice of having a well-known preacher (usually from the United States) write a series of presentations that are packaged and sent worldwide, leaving no room for contextualization.

The reality is that society is changing at a rapid pace and unless the church adapts, which requires the constant re-evaluation of the ways we do church both on the corporate and individual levels, the church will soon become irrelevant. There are ominous indications that this is happening, especially in the West. As a matter of fact, the Church has never identified successful ways to impact the teeming populations of the Middle East, the Indian sub-continent, and Asia (except for the Philippines).

3. Personal lifestyle

One’s personal life is the arena where following a determined role is very closely observed. There seems to exist some kind of universal Adventist mindset that translates into a type of life style and set of attitudes duplicated fifteen million times (are we clones?). There may be some comfort for SDA travelers/tourists visiting developing countries to meet believers whose life style is similar to theirs. The similarity is due to the early missionaries who, maybe unwittingly, adopted the same view that the colonial powers had concerning the indigenous populations — that they were savages that needed to be civilized. No one inquired if that life style was relevant and appealing to the local environment and culture.

Would it not be very refreshing to see individual members experience and express their Adventist faith in ways that are specific to them as individuals; doing so without any fear of being marked, criticized, judged, and more often than not, damned (disfellowshipped)? Some serious thinking on the fact that most of us are role determined raises the question of how it happened and why it still happens, especially when one considers that we are a world-wide church encompassing hundreds of different cultural contexts.

A valid point can certainly be made that the cloning is the unforeseen negative consequence of believers worldwide studying the same Sabbath School lessons (format, presentation, questions and answers derived from prescribed Scripture, followed by an appropriate — or not — comment, usually from Ellen White’s writing). I am not decrying the relevance of studying the Bible from the SDA perspective nor rejecting the Spirit of Prophecy. It is important that we know and understand what our Church teaches. But too often what the individual members retain is mostly the prescribed dos and don’ts peculiar to Adventism, without taking time to reflect on the question of relevance to their respective societies and cultures.

A South Korean doctor friend of mine had served in the Korean navy before he joined the church. After many years in the U.S. he received a phone call from a former navy friend who was visiting. They agreed to have a meal together at a restaurant. The visitor, not knowing of the change in the doctor’s life, ordered alcoholic drinks. My friend graciously took the glass, twirled it, sniffed the contents, and pretended to take a sip now and then during the meal and the conversation.

Once the meal was over, they stood up but just before saying goodbye the friend said, “I noticed that you did not empty your glass. Are you sick or something?” The doctor invited his friend to sit down again, then told the story of his conversion. Intrigued, he wanted to know more, and that was the beginning of the friend’s own conversion. Before they separated the friend’s parting words were, “I am glad you did not refuse the drink that I offered. It would have been rude and I would not have understood; I would have been offended and left.”

I imagine that many Adventist readers will disagree but I think that my doctor friend on that day refused to be role determined. He chose to act differently, determining the role that he would play. In the process, he took the risk of being misunderstood by any church member who might have witnessed the scene.

The doctor told me that doing the Adventist thing was not his priority. Renewing the friendship was; hoping that it would open the door to witnessing. That his attitude lead to his friend’s conversion is indeed a nice ending to the story.

I suggest that every believer should take to heart Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 9:19:

Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law [Conservatives?] I became like one under the law so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law [Liberals? Unbelievers? Atheists?] I became like one not having the law so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak so as to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessing.”

This is exactly what my South Korean friend did.

Every believer should determine for themselves how to use their God-given freedom in ways that will make their life style and everyday behavior powerful witnessing tools within their cultural environment. But they should also never forget Galatians 5: 13:

You were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature.”

Eddy Johnson is the director of ADRA Blacktown in New South Wales, Australia, and a retired pastor.

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Great article on why Bible Study should be our consistent practice. If we come to the Word for any other reason than intimacy and oneness with Jesus, we will soon find ourselves fizzled, disappointed, and quit. Sure, we can work ourselves up for an academic study of one more lesson or sermon, but unless we see the Word as living, active, and sharper than a double-edged sword that wants to do its work in our lives (see Hebrews 4.12), we will be approaching the Word out of duty and obligation, rather than delight, passion, and hunger. Thank you for this reminder!

Unbiased Bible Study would demonstrate that Ellen White was a second hand Prophetess. note for example her so called vision in which she declared she saw Christ leave the first apartment to enter the second apartment on Oct, 1844. While Hebrews declares that Christ entered within the veil upon His ascension. After that after a few episodes, her visions were all within the night sessions. usually after reading from contemporary authors with she used without acknowledgment. Whose who documented that fact lost standing within the SDA Church.



You really know how to bring things to a clear, concise point…and, in just a few words. It would seem that this issue alone would be enough to cause some major adjustments in belief/doctrine.

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The No.1 Mega-church in the US is the Lakewood Church in Houston with 40,000+ weekly attendance.

Held in the stadium that used to house the Houston Rockets, Lakewood Church is not only the largest church in Texas, it’s the largest American megachurch in the nation. Lead Pastor Joel Osteen is probably the best known of all the megachurch pastors. He has been featured in People magazine and Texas Monthly, among other publications. Over 40,000 people weekly file into what used to be the Compaq Center to worship God and to hear Osteen and his wife, Victoria, speak.

“The predictability of a typical [Sunday] morning worship service has [NOT] killed a sense of awed expectation.” How come?


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I had to smile reading this. I have taught SS for a long time, starting in my college days and I always got a kick out of the fact that all these pre-packaged SS lessons were primarily pep rallies for Adventism. When I learned from some of the authors that the lessons they wrote for the quarterly ended up nothing like what they wrote, having been edited by the quarterly staff, I pretty much just used to read the title and the “memory verse” and wrote my own lesson based one or the other.

There came a point when I could no longer keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome so I opted to spend Sabbath dong things that are meaningful to me. After some time had passed, I visited SS again and found absolutely nothing had changed. I mentioned that to a visiting pastor friend from many years ago and he was genuinely surprised, asking, “Why do you think anything needs to change?”

I guess there’s some comfort in seeing the same faces and hearing the same sermons when you travel in the Adventist world, but it’s like eating in McDonalds or Subway on your trip around the world. The local color is missing and your religious understanding comes from a central warehouse, assembled on a conveyor belt.


Implied in this sentence is that the denomination is messed up.
5 of the 7 churches in Rev 2 & 3 were already messed up in the 1st century AD
Joel Osteen is messed up. 40,000 in the audience are messed up
Tom writes that EG White is messed up.
I go to a 15,000 member mega-church where all 3 pastors are messed up
I also go to a non-denom church of 50 where the pastor, trained by John MacArthur Jr…(rated in the top 10 pastors by Christianity Today magazine), is messed up

I attend an SDA church where the pastor is messed up.

Naturally, I’m beginning to think already that you might be Christ returned to test us out before Your glorious Advent in the clouds.

Thou excellest them all that thou has cast down upon the ground and blown away with thy tiny fingers! Ah, the keyboard is mightier than the atom bomb.” – Me


Who would you deem “not” messed up? It sounds as if you aren’t messed up…are there any other pastors/teachers who aren’t as well?

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Everyone is “messed up.” Christ came to cover our mess with His grace.

Thankfully, many in “other” churches and denominations DO know Christ. Adventists can be somewhat judgmental about that, but they don’t know the hearts of millions.

If EGW is correct, and Jeremy has quoted her as saying 95% of Adventists in church today won’t make it to heaven, then most of God’s people ARE in these other churches and denominations.

“Many sheep have I of other folds.” --Jesus

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Typical evangelism is for the evangelist to sell himself in order to sell his pitch which is accepting a doctrinalpackage rather than sharing The Gospel in the Glory of the CROSS. Grace DOTH abound, one needs but a still small voice.


Naaa, I am just an arrogant, cynical , elitist, exclusive, holier than thou, bigoted snob.



I agree everyone is messed up…(EXCEPT ME ,OF COURSE…)

What caught my attention is your next words…about grace covering up our mess…

This concept is ambiguous Adventist, or evangelical lingo…especially the “cover”.

I think it is a misunderstanding or warped spin on sanctification.

Jesus came to renew, clean minds…which is basically character transformation. I call it decriminalization or mind makeover. See Eph 4:23, Rom 12:2, Is 55:7 & 2 Cor 10:5

This cover concept is like sweeping dirt under the carpet, putting a new suit on over dirty underwear.

What is warped is the definition/concept of “grace”

The 3 words that are constantly misunderstood in Christianity=“gospel, grace, salvation”

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With so much exposure to messed up people, I wonder if you are already messed up as well?.. :innocent:

Yep George…"Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” 1 Cor 15:33

This is a major reason I take a sabbatical from Sabbath observers.

What I find is that God has a gospel of grace criminal rehab program for Earthlings…it is just that SDA are so fixated on W.O. LGT, LGBTQ, 3 angels message, TW, GC, paranoid eschatology (See next quarter SS lessons) that they are quite clueless on the basics of what gospel, grace, and salvation mean.

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I agree with you. With all my SDA background, I only learned about GRACE correctly when I spent 3 years attending a Baptist Church on Sundays. They had a great pastor, Charles (Bud) McCord, a magnificent preacher. It was in Brazil, but he was a missionary pastor who actually built a church there. Later on he came back to the US and was the senior pastor of the First Baptist Church of West Hollywood, in FL. After a few years he returned to Brazil for good, to live there permanently, and grew a new ministry.

If you want to listen to great short inspirational messages or full sermons, visit his site: (the English version)
or on FaceBook (English & Portuguese together)

His message is healthy and centered in Christ. Frustrated SDAs will certainly enjoy his approach to faith and religion.

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When the two spies sent by Joshua entered Jericho, where would they stay, where could they “hide” and be safe for the night? Anyone of us watching them as they talked with a woman on the street and following her home would assume the worst. And yet, I tend to believe they had asked God to lead them to a place of safety. Are we willing to give time and space to our fellow believers by always allowing them the benefit of time and space–for the Holy Spirit to actually do His work–without prejudging them?

God took it upon Himself to come to this disgusting planet at the risk of His reputation. Didn’t the rest of the universe give Him the time and space to reveal His plan?

McCord highlights his inspirational mentor Verle Ackerman: "BAPTIST PASTOR TO GIVE REINS TO PROTEGE"

Ackerman’s May 2018 obit includes this gem: "He was passionate about pointing people to Jesus and always worked at letting his light shine before all, reflecting what God had done in his own life."