You are asking some questions to the wrong people. Only God has the answers, so please direct the questions to the right source.
I highly recommend that you spend some time doing some reading about this issue before getting too excited with some of your ideas. I mean, Spectrum has an enormous amount of material on the WO issue. Please get acquainted with some, since it will facilitate your understanding of the issue in a broader way.
In my case, I am not going to engage in a long discussion with you, because it’s your right to believe whatever you choose to believe. Exchanging ideas is OK, but everyone is entitled to their own conclusions. I respect your conclusions.
Since it appears that you are not acquainted with the conversation on WO here at Spectrum, let me update you on one point (hope it does not turn your color into blue…):
My prediction is that the vote in SA will definitely be NO.
After that, the Unions will do whatever their preference is. Just because by the Church rules, it’s the UNIONS who have the power to make those decisions, NOT the GC. The GC is only trying to quietly usurp the Unions’ rights, but it’s not going to work.
By the way, Do you know why were the Unions created for in the first place?
Let’s start with this question. Waiting for your response.
Headship does not mean some male dominated “power hierarchy”. It simply means that God has reserved the right of ordination for men and men alone. They are to have spiritual “headship” as priest of the home and pastor/elder of the church. This isn’t some man made system. God set this one up from the beginning. And God’s systems are always far better than those made by man; and if followed they will only be a blessing.
I bet you like Doug Bachelor. Well, here is a posting that generated a good discussion here on Spectrum. The thread is not too long, so it’s perfect for starters. Take a look on the comments there, it can help.
By the way, I wouldn’t waste my time posting videos from Secrets Unsealed et al (though Dr. Cupino @elmer_cupino loves them all…!) . We have seen them here times enough. I wish you knew what was already discussed here, so that you would provide only new and updated materials - because all that old stuff will be just mere repetition, and Spectrumites tend to ignore repetitive materials. Yes, you are right, we are all stubborn, not just me!
I know, some of those students have called me for help due to the complete disintegration of their mental stability after your “study of clinical cases”…
Those loyal to the orange, like those loyal to the green, have been involved in bombing homes and churches, men women and babies not of the same (religious) color. My maiden name was Irish so I speak about some of my own people when I say the boldness of both groups has been much more violent then I want to relate to.
Steve Bohr, tho he is paid out of a tithe fund I support, has not given proWO any time at his church, in his programs, in his written productions, at his seminars. How is it that he makes such a big deal about others presenting what they believe.
Ironically, the NAD is the ONLY division for or against that I know that has given room to those who have disagreed with them. In the official TOSC video report and the written reports they made room for those who disagreed with the majority. Instead of complimenting them, this has all been ignored and the impression left that they are trying to keep from the people that there is more then one opinion.
In fact in the SID the leadership pointedly ignored what their BRC had prepared as requested, and presented their own personal point of view. In one antiWO conf in the NAD they not only don’t allow room to talk about the other side but people with different opinions don’t get hired.
What is more disconcerting (assuming the incident is true) is the GC made no public announcement nor rebuke and therefore is as guilty as SID. How this was tolerated is beyond me, particularly in a religious organization that claims to be the remnant church and true to the word of God. Talk about incongruency.
the WHOLE NAD? it is done by conference and unions and I am sorry to report that not all are so inclined. I agree with George. You do not seem well informed on this topic. Where do you live?
This is why I asked him @OrangeMan if he knows what the Unions were created for in the first place. But so far no answer. Maybe in the next few hours, depending where he lives.
Well, good luck with your question to him, hope you get an answer soon…
Yes, if you look into the Orange order and the Catholic opposition in Ireland with all its bloody history, you may decide not engage so freely with anyone purporting to come from that tradition.
It looks like our chance to engage with him was a small window of opportunity. Apparently he felts as his mission to educate us on WO was completed so he just got out of the boat.
I’m going to say this: The unions had the right to ordain women. They still have it. But not after the vote! You see, if Dan Jackson and all the other pro ordination people would had just quietly went about ordaining women they would not be in half the trouble they’re in now. But because they pulled the cat out of the bag so to speak but making such a huge deal out of it, they will now have to suffer with the results.
Interestingly enough, Eric B. Hare’s dad was an orangemen. They move from ireland to the australian region at the turn of the century. They were the movers and shakers of our early work there. So you can still be an orangeman without necessarily being violent. Take Luther for instance. He was, in my opinion, the first real orangeman.
My maiden name was Irish so I speak about some of my own people when I say the boldness of both groups has been much more violent then I want to relate to.