The Adventist FBI and the Sticky Wicket Thicket

I post because I am not an indifferent apathetic Adventist. It is unfortunate that all you read into my post is a Pharisaical judgmental critique.

Many have their media darlings, favorite talk show pundits, celebrity politicians and here their popular institutional gainsayers.

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This.

It is very evident that Elder Wilson has very little pastoral experience. If I was to use Elder Wilson’s approach in the congregations I serve, they would quickly fall apart.

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This would be my guess.

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No need to wonder any longer. Unless someone can come up with compelling evidence against it, the one factor that necessitates “investigative machinery” can be no other than a pervasive sense of paranoia that seems to have gripped our GC leaders. The key to unlocking the secret is the betrayal of the word “perceived” as formulated in the document. This is the primary reason seen in mental health clinics behind breakdown of meaningful relationships, the same psychodynamics behind the formation of these GC review committees.

A referral for a psychiatric evaluation would be the treatment of choice to rule out the possibility of religious induced psychosis instead of being subjected to humiliation and shame.

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Phil: Good list of possibilities. Thank you!

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Good question Carlo! If SID’s report in relation to WO were made
publicly available, it might shine a light on a certain disputed and
allegedly ‘ghost-written’ DTh thesis - a matter that has been swept
under the carpet (perhaps another task for one of the compliance
committees?).

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Elmer_Cupino: It is scary, (almost unthinkable) to contemplate that your
hypothesis could be number 11 on Philip Brantley’s list of possible reasons.
Yet, you have professional dealings in this area …
Let us seek the Holy Spirit, searching our hearts and minds re. what God
requires of us in times like these.

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Welcome to DogmaWorld!
What could possibly go wrong.

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For all practical purposes the massive responses to Ted Wilsons initiatives equals a vote of no confidence in a political world. Do we have in our massive “Working Policy” a system to deal with situations like this?

From The White House we hear rumours of an internal “oposition” against the incompetent president. From the GC we only seem to have loyal servants to our “president”, with the notable exclusion of Tom Lemon. I really wonder how it is possible for experienced leaders like Mark Finley, Mike Ryan and others to live with themselves just loyally carrying out mr. Wilson’s agenda. How long must we wait to see the Division presidents actively oppose Wilson and correct the course we are on?

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Yes, and perhaps garbage trucks.
But the short list is sill longer…

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Brilliant!

How about we replace the real with the ceremonial?
The ante-type with type? The icon becomes god…

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Here in Australia, after Ted’s father rolled Des Ford, any minister could report a fellow minister to the Union presidents. The standard charge was “disloyalty.” Many ministers were dismissed without recourse to a written or oral defense. The FBI (Fickle Brother investigators) were very active all around us. Often, an FBI informant was promoted for being so “loyal.”
It wasn’t a fun time to be ministering. We took our cue from Colonel Klink and often had to declare,“I know nuttink.”

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That the SDA independent press is kept informed despite major efforts to plug the leaks might suggest that some who are close to the situation are not entirely supportive of it. The independent press doesn’t have to beg for these reports. They come like manna in the morning.

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Although I do not think that this is their purpose, I do believe that the lines from Fulcrum7 which this article discusses accurately portray the function of these Compliance Committees.

My wager is still open. I will contribute $100.00 to the favorite charity of the first ten people if anyone in the world is fired as a result of a General Conference Compliance Committee’s work by the end of Elder Wilson’s present term. These ten people will do the same for my favorite charity if by then this does not happen. This offer is void where prohibited by law. Neither the organization for which I work nor anyone associated it is involved. This is my offer and no one else’s.

My hope as well. There may be room for some hope.

It appears that the Spirit confused the delegates at SA/15, held TW’s hands captive at the AC/16, destroyed TW’s malignant intentions at the AC/17.

So, it seems that there is still hope that the same Spirit will defeat this Machiavellian plan designed by the KGC for the AC/18. (I didn’t like Dr. Knight’s use of “FBI” - it’s unfair to the FBI!!!)

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He may not be able to do it, but he could easily motivate sufficient numbers of people in a multitude of congregations to take action in that direction. All we have to do is quit attending in sufficient numbers, form new congregations under new IRS 501©(3) charters and not forward tithes and offerings. When the money stops flowing upward it will quickly get the attention of church leaders at the Conference and Union levels. It will take some time but those leaders will drive the needed change at the General Conference. I witnessed this during the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s when the pastor of the church we were attending in Alabama refused to continue a service until Black visitors departed. What he hadn’t counted on happening was a lot of White members leaving with them. We basically formed a new congregation that met in the homes of members for a number of months. We did everything the same but all of our offerings went into a bank account and sat there until the Conference leaders came begging for reconciliation. Our demand was simple: everyone is welcomed without regard to race. In only a few weeks there was a new pastor at the home church and we were back together. It took years before the animosity among the White members who had taken different sides disappeared, but it happened. So I expect the division Wilson and others are driving will be overcome but I do not expect the healing we need will happen quickly.

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It will all depend on how strongly the KGC will twist the delegates’ arms. If Ted Wilson threatens them again with “grave consequences,” then we may have a vote that will end up splitting the Church. Which, apparently, is what Ted Wilson wants to do.

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Just curious:
Do you support Ted Wilson’s actions and goals?
_____ Y
_____ N

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Good luck getting an answer on the money’s whereabouts!!! :wink:

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