The Jehovah’s Witnesses know who their God is. They believe Jesus was created by God and is ‘a god’. They believe the Holy Spirit is an ‘it’. But we will see how their New World Translation, in spite of their efforts to deny it, shows Jesus IS Jehovah God. The Roman Catholic Church knows who their God is. They believe there is a three person co-eternal Trinity. But we will see how their New American Bible diverts our attention away from the significance of who JESUS is. In other words they as usual, seem to be a tricky hair off the actual truth which leads to an immense distortion!
We Seventh Day Adventists DON’T KNOW WHO OUR GOD IS?! Since the beginning of the Advent movement until this day there is no clarity on this subject! Those that want to quote the pioneers like James White and Uriah Smith concerning the divinity of Jesus would perhaps be more comfortable in the camp of the JW’s. If you believe there is a three person Godhead then maybe you should join the RCC? That is how ridiculous this situation is. The SDA Tim Jennings, believes the KJV reflects some RCC doctrine and has written The Remedy which actually supports RCC doctrine…and I will show you how.
I am going to present to you in two parts why there is a Trinity, Godhead whatever label you want to use in the KJV…and why it differs greatly from the RCC Trinity. We are going to look at a few scriptures in the New American Bible(Catholic), The Remedy, The New World Translation and the KJV. That is the first part. For the second part I am going to cut and paste an article concerning the nature of the Holy Spirit, that makes the case for the Holy Spirit as being an actual person and God, much better than I, and I believe if James White was alive to read this…he would recant.
Let’s start with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Jesus is a God created by Jehovah God. That is what they claim.
I discovered that if they are trying to make their point that Jesus is a created being, they missed something huge in the New World Translation. They actually make the strongest statement I’ve seen, the best argument for Jesus being God that I have seen in any translation!
Let’s compare Rev 1:1 with Rev. 22:6 and Rev 22:16 in the New World Translation (revised 2013).
Rev1:1 A revelation* by Jesus Christ, which God gave him,+ to show his slaves+ the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John…
O.K. So far so good for the JW doctrine. Jehovah God as they like to refer to the Father, gave to Jesus (a created being that created the earth etc.) some truth and sent his angel to John.
Now I would ask you to read Rev 21:9 where you see a plague angel comes to John. You can read through to Rev 22:6 to see the ‘he’ referenced Rev:22:6 IS the plague angel.
Rev.22:6 He said to me: “These words are faithful* and true;+ yes, Jehovah,* the God who inspired the prophets,+ has sent his angel to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place."
So, John records in Rev 1:1 that an angel was sent by God and here in Rev 22:6 a plague angel clarifies that it was Jehovah God that sent the angel.
Rev 22:16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David+ and the bright morning star.
Oh HO! Jehovah God sent the angel in Rev.22:6…and Jesus sent the angel in Rev. 22:16…that would make Jesus Jehovah God!
Now you could go back to the seven Church’s in ch 2 and 3 and see that the angel was sent …and the message is from Jesus…and to every Church is written 'Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations:" as it reads in the New World Translation.(we’ll look at Holy Spirit in part 2).
So here we have confirmation in the New World Translation from the Apostle and Prophet John, the Father, Jesus, a plague angel, and the Holy Spirit…that Jesus is Jehovah God! I hear someone clamoring for another revision of the New World Translation!!!
And the point of this? In the most convincingly written presentation of Jesus as a created being, The New World Translation, there is evidence that he was not created.
Same translation…look at Rev 2:8 8 “And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’+ who became dead and came to life again:
The word ‘first’ in the Greek, Protos’ means ‘first in time or place’ and ‘last’ in Greek, Eschatos’ means last in time or place. Hold on to that, we’ll come back to it later. For now, we know the message is from Jesus delivered by His angel and He is describing himself. The JW’s kept this because they believe the Father created Jesus…but that’s not what is being said here. We’ll look at that more closely later on.
Tim Jenning’s takes out EVERY instance of this phrase ‘First and Last’ occurring in the New World Translation and the KJV in ‘The Remedy’: Rev 1:11, 1:17, 2:8, 2:19 and 22:13. There is evidence to some that this phrase does not occur in SOME of the Revelation, Rev 1:11 for example. But if you look at where it does occur you can see where it makes sense in the other places. Jennings takes things a step further, removing ALL instances of this phrase…replacing it with ‘beginning and ending’ Arche and Telos in the Greek pointing to the eternal nature of God. So if his intent was to say the RCC tampered with previous manuscripts by inserting ‘First and Last’ and then replaced that phrase with ‘beginning and ending’, then all he has done is to reinforce the RCC view of a co-eternal Trinity.
The JW’s take away from the meaning of ‘First and Last’ by believing Jesus was a created being. Tim Jennings simply obliterates ‘First and Last’ which leaves us no insight as to what that means…at all!
Let’s take a look at what the New American Bible(Catholic) has to say. First Rev 1:1 Rev 22:6 and Rev. 22:16.
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show his servants what must happen soon. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true, and the Lord, the God of prophetic spirits, sent his angel to show his servants what must happen soon."
Please note the phrase ‘prophetic spirits’ this appears to be a reference to 1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. (referring to the gifts of the spirit.) In The NWT AND the KJV the phrase is 'God of the Holy Prophets
“I, Jesus, sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the root and offspring of David,* the bright morning star."
So, these verses read the same as in the NWT and we will see the KJV, except in Rev 22:6 where God of the Holy Prophets is replaced with God of prophetic Spirits. And here we begin to see how the RCC twisted things…just a wee bit…to mask something very important about our Savior. The RCC focuses on the God that bestows prophetic gifts instead of the God of the Prophets…you know the Prophets…that spoke of our Savior and His life…and His Sacrifice for us. On to the KJV and a little EG White in conclusion…and if the folks here allow, I’ll post an insightful look at who or what the Holy Spirit is.
KJV Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
And he said unto me, these sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the Holy Prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Whew! O.K… So this reads essentially the same as the New World Translation, except the NWT inserts JEHOVAH GOD in Rev22:6, which ironically, makes a stronger case for Jesus being God than the KJV!
The phrase First and Last occurs in places in the KJV where it does not in other translations, but you can look at it for yourself and see if it adds or takes away from what is being said. It doesn’t appear to be an issue at all.
So what is the point of this monster post?
- NWT shows powerfully that Jesus is Jehovah God while at the same time claims he was created AND uses the phrase “First and Last” almost everywhere the KJV does. The JW’s believe First and Last refers to Jehovah God creating Jesus to create earth…and onward.
If you look at first and last in the KJV it can be seen it is talking about Jesus’ sacrifice, the first in time or place where the eternal God became fully God and fully man and died. (Some insight concerning that death a little later from EG White.) So besides the NWT contradicting it’s stand on Jesus being created it also takes away from the sacrifice our Savior made for us.
Tim Jennings’ The Remedy. Removes EVERY instance of First and Last…again minimizing who our God was(is) by focusing exclusively on the eternal nature of our God and ignoring the immense sacrifice our God made for us.
The RCC does the same thing by changing" God of the Holy Prophets" to “God of Prophetic spirits”…focusing on gifts of the Spirit instead of leading us to the Prophets who wrote of Jesus life and death and the immense sacrifice He made for us. It may be that God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are Co-eternal, but what of the sacrifice Jesus made for us? Does the RCC speak of the immense sacrifice of our Savior in a light that can truly help us to see the beauty, the strength and self sacrificing love of Jesus? And just what kind of death was it Jesus died for us? I had a rather spirited debate with a friend over this issue, and I finally agreed, he had it straight.
The following comment from EG White Desire of Ages the Chapter Calvary
Satan with his fierce temptations wrung the heart of Jesus. The Saviour could not see through the portals of the tomb. Hope did not present to Him His coming forth from the grave a conqueror, or tell Him of the Father’s acceptance of the sacrifice. He feared that sin was so offensive to God that Their separation was to be eternal. Christ felt the anguish which the sinner will feel when mercy shall no longer plead for the guilty race. It was the sense of sin, bringing the Father’s wrath upon Him as man’s substitute, that made the cup He drank so bitter, and broke the heart of the Son of God.
Christ could not “see through the portals of the tomb”…“He died of a broken heart”. Because the righteous have the hope of life offered them by the Savior and God the Father, they CAN see through the portals of the tomb. Here in this life, many of the wicked see through the portals of the tomb. They believe they will continue to live. It is only the wicked that cannot see through the portals of the tomb. Those people would be those resurrected after the thousand years, the millennium,and that is called the second death. No hope for life…only death. Although our Savior didn’t die forever, He had no hope offered that He would live. He obeyed the Father, with no assurance from the Father…until He died. That would be the experience of the second death…even though He would live again.That is what our Savior experienced while under intense physical, emotional and spiritual distress! No assurance that He would live. I ask you to dwell on this and consider who your God is! This is what makes Him the ‘First and the Last’. The first in time and place to suffer the second death experience…and the last in time and place to live through that experience! Is there greater love than this? It cannot be fully comprehended! The RCC claims the Trinity is a mystery. I would say the God of ALL, the eternal God, the creator, dying for His creation…is a mystery.
We SDA’s have a wonderful prophetic gift in the writings of EG White. I don’t believe she was infallible, but I believe God gave her beautiful insights. And this surely is a premier insight!
On to stage 2…The Holy Spirit (The following from an article on the Holy Spirit posted on Bible Hub)
On the one hand, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are quite right: Greek grammar does not support the translation of “he” for the Holy Spirit. The passages you mentioned in John do not actually use the masculine pronoun to refer directly to the Holy Spirit. I published an article on this in 2003 in the Bulletin of Biblical Review. It’s called “Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit.” Now, that’s on a grammatical level.
But the JWs take this beyond the evidence by saying that since the grammar doesn’t support the personality of the Holy Spirit, there is nothing else that does. In this case, I believe they are quite wrong. Gender in Greek is primarily an arbitrary thing; that is, it does not necessarily have to do with “natural gender” or whether someone/something is masculine, feminine, or neuter. For example, the word “word” in Greek is masculine, though there is also a word for “word” which is neuter. The word “child” in Greek is neuter. And this word is used of Jesus as a baby. Does this mean that he was an “it” until he grew up? Hardly. This is actually similar to some modern languages. Thus, for example, in German the word for girl is neuter. This certainly does not mean that Germans think of girls as “things”! What’s interesting is that the Hebrew word for “Spirit” is feminine. Since that is the case, why don’t JWs say that the Holy Spirit is a person, a female person? They are highly selective in the data, and they simply refuse to listen to genuine arguments when it doesn’t support their case.
Now, how would I argue that the Holy Spirit is a person? I believe that the very passage that many use to describe the Spirit as a person (John 14-16) contains the key. Although the Greek does not do so via grammatical gender, there are other ways to see the personality of the Spirit here. For example, Jesus says that the Father will send “another advocate/comforter” (John 14.16; cf. also 14.26; 15.26; 16.7-8). If he is “another” advocate then he is distinct from Jesus. Yet, clearly, he is sent to replace Jesus as the one who ministers to the disciples. How can a thing do this? In the Upper Room Discourse (John 14-17) the Holy Spirit is seen as (a) distinct from the Father and the Son, and (b) personal. He will teach, guide, etc. These are attributes of persons, not things. Also, in the Great Commission, Jesus tells his disciples to “baptize in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Now, what’s curious here is the subtle equation of the Son with the Father, and the Spirit with the Father. No one would think of saying, “Baptize in the name of the Father and the Bible,” or even “the Father and Paul.” The first expression is something that we have a reaction to because the Bible is inanimate. These second expression is something that we have a reaction to because it places Paul on the same plane with God. What’s remarkable about the wording of the Great Commission is that (a) the Greek does not make the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit the same person, but (b) it does make them equal.