It seems that some are not really paying attention to what Jesus was really praying for in that prayer. It has been trivialised by teaching it to children who cannot comprehend it. And those children have grown into adulthood without discovering how magnificent that short, five-line, prayer truly is.
The second line states (in KJ English): Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth … While heaven may be our hope and our glory, it is to this earth that the sons and daughters of God are bringing His kingdom, who are doing His will. This does not happen by those whose heads are in the clouds.
I have no problem with focusing on heaven, the second coming and the new earth, but we must also live here and now and establish God’s kingdom on earth, as the Lord’s Prayer clearly says. I pray we not become so heavenly minded that were are of no earthly use.
Commendation is in order for the direction the church is going in acknowledging and seeking to minister to individuals with “special needs”. Great initiative. We must support and help them cross the Jordan.
It was NOT LISTED WHAT those “special needs” were. So at least Spectrumites have No Idea what that was talking about.
In situations like this, when speakers talk in “Adventist Jargon” but dont really say anything, it makes everyone excited and happy. And, go back to their hotel rooms with a smile on their faces.
It isnt going to make a lot of sense if the SDA church is not relevant to the 21st Century person. In a situation like that, when thinking about Evangelism, it is Just Good Money Following Bad.
It is Ron Smith, President of the Southern Union, that will have to deal directly with the desire of his constituents for ordination equality. He tried to duck and cover preventing the issue from coming before the constituents at the last meeting with the backing of each conference president and the president of Southern Adventist University. Elder Wilson can choose to visit the places and adoring crowds where he has support for his views. Ron Smith has to go home and deal with the fallout.
I am from the So. Union [Ga-Cumb.]. 2 years ago i asked our Conf President about WO in the So. Union. He said everyone was waiting for President Jackson, who was waiting for SA2015.
Sooooo. SA 2015 is here. It looks like President Jackson, at least from his statement the other day, that he would approve WO in all the NA Unions.
Hopefully Pastor Ron Smith is in accordance with that permission by now.
True, some churches will Fight their Conference officials to not receive one, but that is OK. There are others who will be happy to have an O’d W.
My Macon church would be against it. We dont even have women elders. They do not entertain the thought.
3ABN, Doug, Stephen, and others certainly did a “SNOW Job” on everyone.
Yesterday in Sab. Sch. one lady said 3ABN speaker was even speaking AGAINST the Nicene Creed, that it was “BAD”. I told her that ALL of our 28 Fundamentals are encased in the Nicene Creed if she would just think about it. Every Sunday when I repeat the Nicene Creed I am RENEWING my Baptismal Vows. I miss that on Sabbath at my SDA church.
HEAVEN, THE MAGIC KINGDOM?
A friend recently commented on how he wishes that the church could be more “heavenly” like Disneyland, the magical place on earth. He commented that much of our so called preaching about Heaven sounds like we are selling the trip to Disneyland that we long for. But is Disneyland really the closest thing to heaven on earth, and should a church model itself after all that Disneyland has come to achieve? With lots of options, great visuals, a variety of rides, and amazing customer service, it seems like a no brainer, that many would say yes, absolutely. For just as Disneyland seeks to provide a great experience for its guests, wouldn’t a church desire to do the same? But as I sit here in Southern California contemplating that, I would have to say, no! Heaven is so much better than Disneyland!
Let me explain. I do enjoy Disneyland for all that it is, and all that it provides. But, the purpose of disneyland is not the great commission. The purpose of Disneyland is to create revenue for itself, while providing a magical experience for a set time, that will consist of fun, laughter, and imagination to all those who come. And then when the day ends, so does the experience. Heaven is real and church should be as well. Everyone is treated with respect, even Season Ticketholders. To fantasize about unity and oneness is OK as you ride around the ride singing “It’s a Small World After All” (WE Have This Hope) is just fine. But in our SDA church after San Antonio, there are many realities and worlds that that are different and can’t be glued together! That is probably why we will need not eleven days every five years but 1,000 years to sort things out. What we are left with after Disneyland, or 11 days at the GC, are lots of memories, and the desire to experience it all over again (?), perhaps in fifty years! Which means that Disneyland (General Conference in San Antonio) really cannot fulfill us, or sustain us, to the full measure of what we had hoped or were created for. Disneyland/GC is not heavenly! It does not even come close. Heaven, real heaven, will be perfect and fulfilling.
Not sure about the Disneyland analogy but from the outside I am confused as to what was accomplished in the great state of Texas. The SDA church elected Elder Wilson to continue serving as its President. The issue of WO continues to be unsettled in application. Some words were added and some subtracted in the 28 fundamentals. And, several Vice Presidents continued to serve their Divisions. It was discovered that technology can be difficult for some and that milliniums still feel less than wanted.
In short nothing happened that couldn’t have happened for a considerable amount less money. But we do enjoy these little get togethers every five years.
He approves, I am sure, but he cannot really facilitate without going directly against the GC vote. Of course, he doesn’t have to stop unions that want to do it either. Know what I mean? Know what I mean?
I like to think of heaven more like a banquet, with Jesus at the table, and the places are filled with gays, lesbians, street people, women pastors, atheists, indigenous people, Blacks, pimps, prostitutes, transgenders, queers, old saints from many denominations, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Jainists, young people with many tattoos, drug dealers, politicians, right-wing fundamentalists, pornographers, college professors, psychiatrists, Hindus, bikers in leathers, priests, failed pastors, high school dropouts, illegal aliens, etc. I can just imagine the stories that will be told of how they found themselves at the table. Some of them may have to take a little time to get to know Jesus, and He might have to tell them how they ended up there. Talk about fellowship.