The Value of Local Church Membership in Light of Recent Developments

Interesting I lift up a woman and in this case you tear her down given your ardent woman rights support with out reservation.

This is a spirit that you and I are warring against and in your case have succumbed to it to attack Gods messenger.

Politicians do that: instead of answering a simple question, they talk either about something else, or they reprimand the person who is asking the question.

If some day you decide to answer my simple question in a proper manner, please let me know. It will be highly appreciated.
Thanks.

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Honestly, I like my “comfort zone” and not just a little but a lot. Having said that I have noticed that God knowing my selfish tendencies often throws a curve ball at me and I not one to shy away from a challenge, go after it. You are one of many wonderful souls whose purpose is obviously to be of help to others in whatever way that shapes your path. I am jealous of folks like you because I really have to work at the GO action here. Nevertheless helping someone in need ironically is an opportunity I will jump at the chance because as you said it is an EGO TRIP and makes that EGO feel good. And no we do not need to be in church to get involved. Thank you for your wise words.

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One thing I have found is that Sometimes it is the Spirit [maybe
my Angel] who arranged others to meet me.
Like today at the post office. I was the next customer, but because
of slowness of the window person I had to wait.
HOWEVER, because I had to wait, I was there to hold the door
for a person coming in with a huge box to mail. A few minutes
earlier [and a happier me] and I wouldn’t have been there for him
as I was leaving.
My Angel plays tricks like this on me all the time.
But I DID put my Angel to work a couple of years ago. I was at
church by myself on a Friday evening to go over music for the next
day. I used the bathroom and the flush mechanism would not quit.
I called the head deacon because I could not find any tools in the
janitor closet to fix it. He couldn’t come, and Neither could the Head
Elder. I called the pastor and all he told me was to let it run ALL NIGHT.
You can imagine the water bill for that month.
So I told my Angel, “You have to fix this – and related what I had done
with no response from people.” I opened the door, turned out the light.
The door shut behind me. And the water stopped.
I DO KNOW my Angel is a great Master Plumber.

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Kellogg was wrongly Disfellowshipped.
His book contains NOT a sentence of Pantheism in it!
I read the whole thing on line.
Actually, his book would have made a great companion to Ellen’s
later Ministry of Healing that came out in 1903.

Kellogg had a strong personality. They were afraid of him [well read
and quite knowledgeable about the Bible]. FEAR got rid of him. So
he couldn’t “bother” them any more.

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or when she was hooked on apple cider vinegar? or maybe alcohol?

"I had indulged the desire for vinegar. But I resolved with the help of God to overcome this appetite. I fought the temptation, determined not to be mastered by this habit . For weeks I was very sick; but I kept saying over and over, The Lord knows all about it. If I die, I die; but I will not yield to this desire. The struggle continued, and I was sorely afflicted for many weeks. All thought that it was impossible for me to live. You may be sure we sought the Lord very earnestly. The most fervent prayers were offered for my recovery. I continued to resist the desire for vinegar, and at last I conquered. Now I have no inclination to taste anything of the kind. This experience has been of great value to me in many ways. I obtained a complete victory."1

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I wonder why? I think I should consume all the vinegar I desire. Mmmmm.

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Regarding Vinegar, Cheese, and other fermented foods in the context of Ellen White’s day see Food and Drink Adulteration in the 1700 and 1800s. - "Among the items regularly counterfeited or adulterated were drinks (beer, tea, coffee, spirits, and wine), bread, cheese, pickled foods, and sweet treats. In fact, by the early 1800s, the practice of adulteration had become so common, nineteenth-century people developed a taste for fraudulent substances in their food and drink and often did not realize anything was wrong with what they were ingesting until it was too late."

I am glad that she didn’t see anything from the above regarding mayonnaise. That would have been a major challenge for me…

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Homemade or commercially prepared? See “The Disadvantages of Mayonnaise

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Cheese back then was from UN-pasteurized milk.
pasteurization in the United States did not come in until 1905.
And that was only in Chicago. Later accepted by other parts of the U.S.
There is nothing wrong with Vinegar. Asked my Chemistry teacher about
it. Said it was easily digested. Probably, like brine products, increase in
salt at that meal. Or more fluids.
Some cows contributed to TB is my understanding. Sanitation of milking
was limited.
Mayonnaise might have been a problem is used an unpasteurized milk
product.

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Best Foods, low calories - 15 Cal only. No cholesterol.
Not a big eater, just a little of it on a sandwich once in a while. :+1:

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Maybe something to do with gases?.. :laughing:

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There was no problem with oysters, because even then they couldn’t be adulterated… :wink:

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There is a lot of talk about the local congregation being “the church,” however how many local church boards have voted upon and sent requests/demands up through to their conferences or unions or divisions? Seems as if local churches either don’t care enough or have fallen into a state of helplessness. There is the power if the purse string as well as the power to follow the GC’s lead by issuing its own “warnings.” On the other hand, by ignoring the GC’s directives and considering that some of the conferences and unions and divisions are unable or unwilling to overcome GC interference, becoming quasi-congregational may have become a more attractive solution.

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Yes, I read where alcohol was added as well as whiskey,

“vinegar in the mid-1800s was made with ingredients such as “hard cider” and “whiskey.” The process of making vinegar changes the alcohol to acetic acid. However, not all of the alcohol is converted into acetic acid. A certain amount remains, and that amount varies according to various factors, including how long the mixture was allowed to ferment. Vinegar purchased off the shelf of a supermarket today is tightly controlled to only contain approximately .5% alcohol, which is quite small. Vinegar the mid-1800s was made with ingredients such as “hard cider” and “whiskey.” The process of making vinegar changes the alcohol to acetic acid. However, not all of the alcohol is converted into acetic acid. A certain amount remains, and that amount varies according to various factors, including how long the mixture was allowed to ferment. Vinegar purchased off the shelf of a supermarket today is tightly controlled to only contain approximately .5% alcohol, which is quite small”

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One site on the Internet said one Teaspoon of Red Wine Vinegar
might have one drop of alcohol in it.
Regular table vinegar is standardized to 5% ascetic acid.

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Any local church can start behaving as a quasi-congregational church. And there is nothing that has to be done officially. It’s all literally in the hands of the members.

Let’s say, for example, that in a certain church every single member decided to give all tithes and offerings divided under the titles of “local church budget,” and “local conference pastoral wages fund” then that church would be basically a “quasi-congregational” church. I love the model!!!

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I like the statement and the re-statement as well… LOL :laughing:

I don’t even feel comfortable attending the local church. I have a service dog. The churches local to me do not allow service dogs (no, it isn’t the law they have to, separation of church and state even in the ADA) so no, I would not feel comfortable about inviting fellow service dog users to attend.

And if not the disabled who we are commanded to go out to invite in, who would be welcomed? The poor? The uneducated? The common laborer? The wealthy? The educated?

We need to move from being a church-based country club to a church - hospital for the spiritually, emotionally, mentally and physically wounded/ill. Unless and until, no, I do not feel I can safely invite others in. But I do share Jesus! And I will continue to do that as long as God gives me breath. Our God wants us to prosper and be in health as our soul prospers…may we never forget that He wants health for us…Blessings!

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