Two Women, Two Seats: An Excerpt from Bill Johnsson's "Authentic Adventism"

Editor's Note: Below is Chapter 10: "Two Women, Two Seats," from William G. Johnsson's latest book, Authentic Adventism, courtesy of the publisher. The book is available for purchase on Amazon here.

December 1, 1955, a woman sitting at the rear of a bus in Birmingham, Alabama, was arrested and jailed. Her offense? She refused to give up her seat on the bus.

Rosa Parks was black; the passenger who wanted her seat was white.

By refusing to surrender her seat, Rosa Parks broke the prevailing Alabama law. More than 60 years later, few people would call her a lawbreaker who deserved to be punished. To most Americans, what she did was right. Rosa Parks has become an American hero.

Fast forward to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 2018. Officers of union conferences who refuse to cease ordaining women ministers find themselves in a situation similar in basic respects to the one faced by Rosa Parks. For three Annual Councils in succession, General Conference leaders seem determined to punish “the non-compliant unions.” They have failed twice, but they refuse to give up — while all around us people are desperate and dying for the hope that only Jesus brings. I marvel at this misdirection of time and resources.

If the latest proposal from General Conference leaders gains a majority vote, these union leaders will be stripped of voice and vote in the church’s councils.

This would be a new day for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. From the earliest years of our existence, we have staunchly upheld individual conscience as something conferred by the Lord Himself. We have argued for religious freedom in countless courts. We have taken a public, official stand — not only on behalf of Adventists but also for others whose views we do not share but whose religious liberty is under threat.

All that will change if the action passes to “punish” union leaders for obeying their conscience. We will be found in the extraordinary position of “punishing” our own because they put conscience ahead of General Conference policy.

It will be a sad day for this church.

It must not happen.

I pray that it will not happen.

Let me share my thinking about this momentous situation. I do so as a voice — the voice of a layperson who resides in the Pacific Union, one of the unions that finds itself caught in the crosshairs. I will confine my remarks to this union — this part of the Adventist family where I attend church each Sabbath and return tithes and offerings.

Let me say it loud and clear: there is no “rebellion” in the Pacific Union.

To suggest otherwise is arrant nonsense. Life and ministry go forward quietly and powerfully for the glory of the Lord and His mission. Sick people are being helped and healed every day. Elementary schools, academies, colleges, and universities minister to children and young people. The word of God is proclaimed Sabbath by Sabbath by pastors, many of whom are women.

The Lord has blessed the Pacific Union. Here we find the church’s premier Adventist institution — Loma Linda University and Medical Center. “Loma Linda” has become a name known throughout the world for the quality of its education, medical ministry, and research.

But Loma Linda University Health is not all one finds here, not by far. Adventist Health nonprofit health system serves more than 80 communities on the West Coast and Hawaii. Founded on Adventist heritage and values, Adventist Health provides care in hospitals, clinics, home care agencies, hospice agencies, and retirement centers in both rural and urban communities. These health professionals are transforming the American healthcare experience with a whole-person focus on physical, mental, spiritual, and social healing.

You will find this whole-person focus in the union’s school system as well, recognizing that the student is more than just a mind to be filled with facts — preschool through university.

In this union one finds La Sierra University, a top-drawer institution with fine faculty and an outstanding campus. And Pacific Union College, an institution famous for its education for more than a century.

And more, much more: many hospitals and schools, agencies too many to list, dedicated to a large variety of ministries.

This is a wealthy and faithful union. Over the last four decades $4.88 billion in tithe has been carefully accounted for and distributed by the Pacific Union Conference to the properly assigned levels of the church, including the General Conference Treasury. That is billions, not millions.

Can any other union in global Adventism approach this figure? Does this sound like a union “in rebellion”? Nonsense!

But the picture could change, perhaps drastically, if the General Conference leaders persist in their punitive action and succeed in gaining a majority vote at the 2018 Annual Council.

Many, perhaps a large number of loyal Seventh-day Adventist members, will rise up and protest against what they perceive as a morally indefensible action. They will express their righteous anger in the most effective way they know — through their pocketbooks.

Inevitably, tithe returns to the General Conference Treasury will take a hit, perhaps a catastrophic hit. If this happens, it will not be because of rebellion. It will simply be because these Adventists followed the longstanding American principle of “no taxation without representation.”

Respectfully, I offer my advice to the General Conference leaders: Don’t kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

So I urge: Please, leave Pacific Union Conference alone to carry out its mission. Don’t get in the way. Things are going well here. Don’t, please don’t mess it up.

I know personally the officers of the General Conference. They are good people, servants of the Lord who labor long and hard, seeking the best good for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Somehow they have convinced themselves that the unity of the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist Church requires that the non-compliant unions be brought into line.

I can appreciate their passion for unity — I share it — but I think that the way they hope to achieve unity is dead wrong. Not only will it not preserve unity, it will have the opposite effect. Its result will be disunity: possible fracturing of the body and grievous harm to the mission with which the Lord has entrusted us.

What should General Conference leaders do in this situation? Nothing. Do nothing to upset what the Lord is doing through men and women in the Pacific Union. Let us alone to do our job. People and pastors are weary of being called disloyal and rebellious. We aren’t.

To many of us here, the ordination of women pastors is a moral issue just as clearly as was Rosa Park’s decision not to give up her seat on the bus. Don’t trample on our conscience.

Wherein is ordination of women a moral issue? The answer is simple. You don’t need a Ph.D. to understand it.

Church policy stipulates that administrative positions require ordination. But General Conference policy limits ordination to male members of the clergy, so women are excluded from conference administration. No matter how capable or qualified a woman may be, the church imposes a glass ceiling based on gender alone.

This is discrimination — no other word for it.

Logically and Theologically

Beyond the moral issue, the proposed disciplinary measure makes no sense logically or theologically.

The Adventist Church is organized into 13 divisions worldwide. In at least seven of these divisions women are serving in full-time ministry. Furthermore, in most of these seven divisions women, after they demonstrate their calling, are set apart by a special service called “commissioning.”

But note: The commissioning service is 100 percent identical to the service that sets apart male ministers. The only difference is that for males the service is called “ordination” but for females it is “commissioning.” Here lies the crux of the matter: The Bible, which we Adventists claim to take as our rule of faith and practice, makes no distinction between ordination and commissioning. Not a hair’s difference.

Ordination simply means commissioning, nothing more.

The General Conference leaders have painted themselves into a logical and theological corner.

To make the point crystal clear: If the officers of the Pacific Union would just call the setting apart ceremony for women ministers “commissioning,” the General Conference leaders would have no complaint against them, because policy permits women ministers to be “commissioned.”

“Commissioned,” but not “ordained.”

Although on a biblical basis, the two terms are identical.

In light of these facts, charges of “rebellion” and “non-compliance” fall flat. The whole matter is one of words — words only.

Incredible: Adventists have been wasting time and resources for the last many years on a word game. When will we get real and focus on mission to dying, desperate men and women?

Well, you may reply, if ordination and commissioning are alternate names for one and the same service, why not simply use the non-loaded term “commissioning” instead of “ordination” for setting apart women pastors?

The answer is also simple: Because General Conference policy perpetuates the unbiblical distinction between ordination and commissioning. It restricts election to administrative leadership to those who are “ordained,” as we already noted.

The way out of the mess in which we Adventists find ourselves is straightforward: Either drop the term “ordination” for everyone, both male and female, and call all pastors “commissioned” or drop the term “commissioning” for women pastors and substitute “ordination.”

Are you wondering yet why there’s all this fuss over something that boils down to arguments over words? I am.

And that’s not all. One final point to chew over.

Although many unions in the world church employ women pastors, for whatever reasons the General Conference leaders seem to have focused on the two unions of the North American Division where women pastors are being ordained. But what about China?

In China Adventists have a large and growing work — and it is led by women pastors, many of whom have been ordained. In China the state oversees the operation of the seminaries that provide training for the ministry. Large numbers of Adventist women who feel called to the gospel ministry receive their training in these seminaries, and on completion of the course of studies they are formally ordained.

What am I saying? That in China the Adventist Church is thriving under the leadership of ordained women pastors.

How come the General Conference does not seek to bring these “non-compliant” women pastors into line?

I think the answer is obvious. They would risk shutting down our work in China. The dictates of mission demand that the women pastors not be hindered in their work.

Likewise, the dictates of mission in the Pacific Union demand that women pastors not be hamstrung in fulfilling their calling.

The Bubble

I worked at General Conference headquarters for some 25 years. I counted it a privilege; I still do.

But now, 11 years removed from that rarefied atmosphere, some thoughts trouble me. Has the General Conference fallen prey to the malaise that afflicts that other headquarters located in the Washington, DC, area: the United States Congress?

Men and women (mainly men) get elected to Congress. Probably most come to town hoping to make a difference for the good of the country. They gradually learn how things work: the levers of power, the machinery, the committees that are key to the system. They put in long hours, participate in endless debate.

And something slowly happens to them. Washington, DC, is a beautiful city, especially in the spring of the year. (The climate in July and August is a different story!) They become seduced by the corridors of power, by the prestige that their office brings.

Washington and its dynamics take over their thinking, their lives. When they retire or are voted out of office, many hang around, finding jobs as highly-paid lobbyists or consultants. Podunk seems far away, out of sight and out of mind.

They have exchanged Podunk for the Washington bubble.

What happened to the high-minded ideals that brought them to Washington? What happened to the independent ideas that once motivated them? Life in the bubble subtly leached away their ideals. They spent so much time listening to others who toed the party line that the bubble then turned into an echo chamber.

And here am I, 11 years removed from Washington, wondering on my bed in the wee hours if something similar happens to the men and women (mainly men) who work at the General Conference.

Did the General Conference become a bubble to me?

Did I subtly, gradually become part of an echo chamber?

I must confess it: the answer, painful as it is to admit, is Yes.

As I think of what this chapter has covered — the logical and theological morass into which I think General Conference leaders have sunk — how else to figure out their thinking unless to see it in terms of the bubble and the echo chamber?

Two Women, Two Seats

Years hence, a researcher studying the Seventh-day Adventist Church in North America during the early 21st century will discover something incomprehensible: according to the official record of the church, the largest conference in the division had no conference president!

The official record is maintained in the SDA Yearbook, which is compiled and published annually. It lists every church entity, every conference, every president, every employee of the church worldwide. That is where you go to get the facts, the basic facts about the church. It is, as you might expect, a thick volume.

Now, go to the Yearbook for 2017 and look up the data for the Southeastern California Conference. You find members, names, institutions. But look for the name of the conference president, and what do you find? You find a blank.

According to the Yearbook, the church’s official and authoritative record, the Southeastern California Conference has no president. Nor did it have (according to the Yearbook) in 2016 or 2015.

But Southeastern California does have a president. The conference is growing, financially sound, and ably led.

Its president, Dr. Roberts, was elected by a large majority of members at a duly called constituency meeting.

What then must one say about the Yearbook?

That it is misleading?

That it is inaccurate?

That it lies?

This seemingly incomprehensible fact has a simple but ever-so-revealing explanation: Dr. Roberts is Dr. Sandra Roberts — yes, a woman!

When the office of conference president became vacant several years ago, delegates at the duly appointed constituency meeting selected the person whom they considered best qualified for the job — conference secretary Dr. Sandra Roberts.

General Conference policy stipulates that in order to serve as a conference president, one must have been ordained. Dr. Roberts has been ordained, but the General Conference leaders refuse to acknowledge it. And her name is not included in the official record.

What about this General Conference decision? What to call it?





You decide.

Thus the long, sad story of Adventist women in ministry can be boiled down to something anyone can readily grasp: two women, two seats.

The first woman was Rosa Parks. She was arrested and jailed because she was deemed in violation of the law of the State of Alabama.

Rosa Parks was denied a seat on the bus because she was black.

The second woman is Sandra Roberts. She was elected by the people of the Adventist Church in the Southeastern California Conference. When she goes to Adventist Church headquarters for the meeting of the Annual Council, she isn’t recognized along with the other conference presidents. Sandra Roberts is denied a seat at the table because she is a woman.

Noelene and I now live in retirement in the Southeastern California Conference. We return our tithes each month through the conference office.

As tithe-paying, loyal members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, we protest this basic injustice, this discriminatory treatment of our conference president.

This denial of basic morality is a case of policy run amok, policy being employed against ethics.

It is a denial of authentic Adventism.

For a while we wondered why the members of the largest conference in America don’t rise up and demand that the blatant injustice be corrected at once.

At last we figured out why: for a great many good, loyal, lifelong Adventists the actions of the General Conference no longer mean much to them. Whatever General Conference leaders may vote or not vote doesn’t make a straw of difference.

The General Conference has become irrelevant to them.

For us that has been an exceedingly sad discovery. With it has come a couple of other facts that I hope and pray leaders in Silver Spring will take to heart:

First, the General Conference needs the Pacific Union more than the Pacific Union needs the General Conference. If the General Conference by some circumstance should just go away, the Seventh-day Adventist Church in the Pacific Union would continue, albeit with loss. If, however, the Pacific Union were to disappear, the impact on the General Conference would be catastrophic.

Second, the church is a volunteer body. There should be no coercion, no compulsion in the church. We are Protestants! Our heritage goes back to the Reformers like Martin Luther. We have declared this movement to be heir to that great reform movement. In this context, talk of “punishment” is totally out of place. It does not belong in the Adventist vocabulary; it is repugnant.

I write these thoughts in love, not anger; in sorrow, not in bitterness. I am not so naĂŻve as to think my words will be welcomed in some quarters. Be that as it may, my boss is the Lord, the One who gave His life for me. More than anything else, I seek to do what is right in His eyes.

In recent years I have been in conversation with an individual, now retired, whom I love and hold in the highest esteem. This brother, who is known to most readers of this book, throughout a long ministry is acclaimed for unswerving integrity, for courage, for speaking out when the times called for speaking out. This man once came within a handful of votes of being elected to lead the world Seventh-day Adventist Church.

This leader, like me, is deeply disturbed over current trends in the church, and in particular over the apparent fixation of General Conference leaders on “punishing” the so-called non-compliant unions. During one telephone exchange, he posed a question to me — a question that still rings in my ears.

“Brother Bill, please explain one matter to me. How come the officers of the General Conference, those who are aware of what is happening, don’t speak out? Knowing what they know, how can they remain silent?”

How, indeed?

Further Reading:

Time to Speak Out by William G. Johnsson, Oct. 3, 2018

A Candid Conversation with Bill Johnsson by Barry Casey, Oct. 8, 2018

Annual Council 2018: A Timeline of Key Events

William G. Johnsson is the retired Editor of Adventist Review and Adventist World magazines, and the author of numerous books including Where Are We Headed? Adventism after San Antonio (2017) and Authentic Adventism (2018).

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Rosa Parks was seated in front of the bus. the rear was for Blacks.The issue is the same. The word compliance a very bad connotation. Why not agreement. To disagree does not carry the defiant tone of non-compliance.


“All the compelling power is found only under Satan’s government. The Lord’s principles are not of this order. He would not work on this line. He would not give the slightest encouragement for any human being to set himself up as God over another human being, feeling at liberty to cause him physical or mental suffering. This principle is wholly of Satan’s creation. {par. 7} The principles of the character of God were the foundation of the education constantly kept before the heavenly angels. These principles were goodness, mercy, and love. Self-evidencing light was to be recognized and freely accepted by all who occupied positions of trust and power. They must accept God’s principles, and, through the presentation of truth and righteousness, convince all who were in his service. This was the only power to be used. Force must never come in. All who thought that their position gave them power to command their fellow beings, and control conscience, must be deprived of their position; for this is not God’s plan.{par. 8} These principles are to be the foundation of education in God’s church today. The rules given by him are to be observed and respected. God has enjoined this. His government is moral. Nothing is to be done by compulsion. Truth is to be the prevailing power. . All service is to be done willingly, and for the love of God. All who are honored with positions of influence are to represent God; for when officiating, they are in the place of God. In everything their actions must correspond to the importance of their position. The higher the position the more distinctly will self-sacrifice be revealed if they are fit for the office. Every heart that is controlled by these principles will be loyal. But when those who profess to be in God’s service resort to accusation, they are adopting Satan’s principles to cast out Satan; and this never will work.” {par. 9}

RH, September 7, 1897 The Great Controversy

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I turn on the TV and I see an attractive Prudential commercial that shines a spotlight on our Seventh-day Adventist community in Loma Linda. I pray that GC Executive Committee delegates will observe as the rest of the world has observed the holistic leadership that Loma Linda is providing. When I think of Seventh-day Adventist centers of excellence, Loma Linda and Berrien Springs immediately come to mind. It is natural for many Seventh-day Adventists, particularly in rural areas and in the Third World, to become envious and resentful toward others who have succeeded in life. As a child, I attended a small Seventh-day Adventist church outside the perimeter of Andrews University and observed the envy and resentment directed toward the University. What we need to see from Ted Wilson and the GC is humility and a willingness to learn from our biblical scholars, the vast majority of whom are proponents of women’s ordination. The attitudes incited by Wilson and the GC are not helpful to the Seventh-day Adventist Church in the long run.


Nini…you have posted this lengthy comment on many articles. What exactly is this supposed to be saying to the delegates at the 2018 GC Annual Council? Could you make it more succinct in a few sentences? Thank-you.

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Amen and amen. The “hallowed halls” in Silver Spring have been irrelevant for many years. As with the Pharisees of old, they’re hoist on the pitard of their own idolatry. The next several days is a sea change moment. They can turn it around or further ratify their own slide into oblivion.


Thanks to Dr. Johnsson for the important contribution he has made by writing his book. And thanks to Spectrum for publishing this chapter. I had the privilege of being one of the three presenters at the Columbia Union Constituency Session in July 2012 when the delegates voted by a massive majority to authorize the ordination of women pastors. It was not an act of rebellion by our Union president, by those who spoke in advocacy of this proposed action, or those who voted to support it. We acted as our conscience compelled us to do, based on where we perceived God’s Spirit to be leading, and on all that we had prayerfully studied. Neither our Union President, nor the thousands of members in this Union territory (or anywhere in the globe), should be shamed, chided, or penalized for doing what we believe is the moral thing to do. The extra-ordinary lengths the General Conference leaders have gone to make Pastor Sandra Roberts a persona-no-grata is shameful and troubling. Now, for the third consecutive year, they will attempt to formalize their punitive wishes –in the guise of unity. If that happens, it will indeed be a sad day for this church, as Dr. Johnsson laments.


Isn’t it a violation of the rules to post the same content in so many articles? I wonder if the @WebEd is noticing this…


It seems that some people at the GC completely lost their minds and are now behaving in a total erratic way. Just this abuse to Pastor Sandra Roberts is an example of the craziness rubbing that place!


Dear Bill,

Thank you for sharing your pain,
Your sorrow, and your hopes for the future.

You speak eloquently for so many of us.

The great Advent revolution started by our pioneers, has turned into a huge organization that risks turning into a oppressive tyranny. Pray that it won’t happen.



None of the above.

Infantile is the best term that would capture the essence of our GC leaders behaviors, beards or not. By doing so they are being true to God’s words as in Matthew 18:3 "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”


I feel bad for those who work for those “black suited guys upstairs.” I really do.
Personally I don’t care because their witch hunt cannot and will not affect members on a personal basis.

Also, I am increasingly confident that Ted Wilson’s tyrannic attempts will soon be repealed. I can’t believe that enough people will will fall for the idea of giving TW unlimited powers. I surely hope that the Unions will repeal very forcefully the attempted burglary of their established authority!


Truth of the matter is the Chinese Union Mission is trying to make them comply with little success since ordination of pastors in China is not under union control.:sunglasses:

Don’t know- but just posting content without explanation or comment isn’t helpful to any of us.

The special “dress up” in Michigan is reminiscent of an elementary school play…it’s sadly humorous. I wonder if they will make or be able to rent those costumes? Will a special lady will be “appointed” to play EGW…or will the men be central stage without a female “competitor”?


Please recall my experience when the virus of Headship Ideology infected my family, and influenced my SDA church, George.

I was shattered in so many pieces that I repeatedly went out the door and walked aimless miles down country roads in a daze.

Because my husband couldn’t control this behavior, he brought me before a council of SDA elders because I wasn’t compliant and “wouldn’t stay at home.”

Speaking of witch hunts, that is not to mention that I was exorcised for 16 hours (and I’ve recently seen conservative SDAs make noises about bringing back exorcism).

That was forty years ago, and I am still disintegrated, and my family has not healed.

Adventism is playing with fire.


Quality of Life in Christ is one of the most powerful messages our church delivers to a society looking for health and peace. Loma Linda is the only Blue Zone of health and longevity in the United States from the National Geographic international study.

What a terrific platform has been handed us to continue the messaging to the world seeking for longevity and peace. One of the markers of the Loma Linda group for longevity was their Sabbath as a family day, community and fellowship. What a different Autumn Council it would be if we were capitalizing on this theme instead of trying to run down women who preach the Gospel with the Holy Spirit. I’m deeply troubled by the direction of this Autumn Council towards punishment, coercion, and worst of all, banishing women called of God all around the world as authorized and ordained spiritual leaders. To embrace anti-Trinitarianism at the core of the Headship Heresy is frightening. To punish the Consciences of those who truly respond to Christ is, frankly, anti-Christ. Where is my church heading?


Headship Heresy?


Backwards into the 1800?

God help us!


Sorry to hear all this again Cass. I know, when things like that happen they make almost indelible marks on the person’s soul and spirit- sometimes even the body. It’s amazing that you still spend any time talking to any SDA at all. (Although talking to the Agnostic SDAs is pretty safe … :innocent:)

Hang in there girl, take one day at a time. Today only, 24 hrs only. Thinking of the past may be depressive, thinking of the future may increase anxiety. Concentrate on the nice day today.


When the canary keels over, it’s time to get out of the mine shaft.

There are lots of children in this coal mine, and they do not deserve what they’re going to get.

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Harrpa, here is the representation of where our church is heading. That building represents our church, and that damn thing was built on rollers… on an inclined surface… Just a matter of time… unless the abuse and the heresy are stopped. This AC may be another push toward the ocean…

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