I’m just saying from a hypothetical Kim. Just Hypothetical
Sure…sure you are!
It probably went like this: Ok we are going to nominate X. But we need to make sure we pray about this and we pretend lots of people are in the list except women of course. Then be sure to re-shuffle the deck to protect the good old boy structure. We don’t want people feeling left out. Now we need to look progressive without appearing condescending. “ all in favor say I “. Ok done deal. What’s for lunch on tithe money of course.
It’s a great gig…if you can get it.
i think the subliminal message will be that traditional adventism is alive and well, even if harmless changes like WO eventually make it into our practice…
i think this is completely right on…even in OT times, people who played the game well did well - think joseph, think miriam, think moses, think david, think daniel, etc., etc…people who didn’t play the game well, like saul, ahab, haman, etc., never got that there was a game that they weren’t playing well, let alone what the rules of that game were…
It is really amazing that we elect individuals to manage NA with all its diversity, that we know so little about. It comes down to trusting upper leadership to make all the decisions without any local church input. At least they give us a picture of the new leader.
Would’t it nice if he sat for interviews across NA, to explain his goals. Just take the time to know the peoples across the nations. Perhaps some Zoom interviews answering questions and inspiring confidence.
Hey Jeremy, I want to ask about your comment about Ted Wilson’s reelection. I’m curious as to why you feel so strongly he’ll be reelected. It may be true but I wouldn’t put it past the nominating committee to recommend somebody else. He’s been in there quite some time.
In my opinion it will all depend on what TW wants to do. He has been strongly politically oriented. In 2010 he was “elected” in 90 seconds. How on earth can that happen? Then, his campaigning around the world has not gone unnoticed. Politics is a major tool in his hands, and he uses it generously.
Since there is politics involved anyway, they should at least have a debate among the candidates being considered…
What does the NAD do that really affects the local congregation?
UPDATE: On the morning of Thursday, July 9, 2020, G. Alexander Bryant was confirmed as the new North American Division president by the General Conference Executive Committee with an affirming vote of 153-3.
The exact same thing that the GC does!..
I am not going to disparage Mr. Bryant but for members to hold the position that TW and the executive committee doesn’t use its collective muscle to influence Division positions in my opinion is being willingly ignorant. Especially the NAD.
I believe TW must control the network in order to be re-elected and to insure outcomes such as WO.
Good point. Yet maybe they should be more caring for local congregations, instead of just working with Conference and Union leadership. They could model for congregations what a healthy church should look like and provide portals for individuals to dialog with upper leadership. Perhaps local Conferences would be more responsible to their members should NAD could be appealed to.
Assists, champions, funds women pastors.
If the GC can confirm a new NAD president, what is holding them up from voting for a new GC President? Do the current candidates not have enough votes and thus need time for more politicking?
Would someone please point out to me and my popcorn buttery hands those three dissenting voters? I want the world church to know who they were/are! It will be informational for next year…
@JohnCarson the voting is anonymous, but if you find out, please let us know, too.
i think it’s probably because i want to see TW re-elected…the church and the world are in crisis mode at the moment…we don’t need someone in charge who will need to spend months, if not yrs, learning the ropes…i also think that a TW presidency will give strong credibility to initiatives like WO, when, not if, they are adopted…it’s kind of like with SCOTUS, where recent rulings are all the more credible because the deck was apparently deliberately stacked against the winning side…
i’ve seen TW up close, and have been able to feel that he’s a good man…like with everybody else, there’s a learning curve he has to navigate to overcome some of the limitations in outlook he was born into…i don’t hold anything against him…i’m confident he’ll do the right thing when the right time comes…
I like what I heard on Dr. Bryant so far, BUT I want to see him in action. He appears to be a very open-minded person, very well groomed intellectually, got his doctoral degree at a non-Adventist school (which is good), and so on.
I especially appreciate that he is black, so I am confident that he will work with great desire and passion toward ethnic balance and social justice in the Denomination.
BUT, I am also a little suspicious because, as you said about controlling the network, we know that TW has his tentacles in processes like this, so I wonder how much comfortable he is with Dr. Bryant. In my opinion, the happier Ted Wilson is with Alex Bryant the worse Alex Bryant is; and vice versa! Because TW knows that if a really good guy gets to that position, it will certainly have "grave consequences" for TW’s agenda of discrimination of women and the “kompliance” project.
You forgot to indicate the sarcasm in your sentence…