Ann, There are also differences in QUALITY of Home Schooling.
When I was teaching in Academy we would have missionary kids who
would come. They had been home schooling.
It would take almost a Semester for them to get in the groove of
discipline of studying for tests. Having homework done on time to
either grade or turn in.
There is also the differences in the quality of the parents to be able
to teach the subjects and make sure their child is up to grade level in
For about 4 years I also taught Junior Chemistry. And there was a need for
students to understand Fractions and Ratio and Proportion.
I would give my students a test of problems I took from an 8th grade math
book. Every year I would HAVE to teach fractions and ratio and proportion
to these Juniors because many of them lacked the ability as seen on the
test before we were too far along in the year.
Most of them came from SDA church schools.
Ann, There are also differences in QUALITY of Home Schooling.
Thank you cfowler for your supportive, kind, non condemnatory evaluation of my failure to send my children to Adventist schools.
Sounds like you are a kindred spirit.
Please contact Bonnie Dwyer at Spectrum fo my e mail / phone number.
I would like to invite you as a guest in my Maui and French Riviera homes.
That is why many Adventist parents in Michigan would not send their children to nearby Andrews ( with its more racially diverse campus ) and would send their daughters to more white Southern Missionary College !
You mentioned a couple of those barriers. One thing you failed to mention is dogma and/or a lack thereof. We lived in an area where there was ample access from multiple sources to Adventist education, k-12, yet many parents chose home schooling because the believed the Adventist education system was akin to Sodom and Gomorrah. Or the flip side of that they simply weren’t connected into Adventist culture and belief enough feel it was important.
Now into my retirement years I’ve come to the point where I’d be in the latter category if I was still raising a family, but that’s now. Back then I fell for the mind control games of our Adventist peers.
If you are saying or implying that the only way to be in God’s good graces is to be a Christian, what does that say or imply about how you think of God? As a parent it is obvious that you love dearly and are extremely proud of your kids. Do you think that God is not capable of doing the same?
Sorry, but I am upset that a daughter who was raised Christian ( Adventist ) with its emphasis on Christ’s saving power ( for example EGW’s DESIRE OF AGES ), is now raising her children as non Christians.
My13 year old granddaughter recently asked her mother:
“ Mom are we Christian ? “ The answer was “ no we are not Christian “.
And this in Great Britain, with its plethora of Anglican chapels / churches / cathedrals in every village / town /city.
Not to mention it’s Wesleyan Methodist heritage !
Yes I am sure God loves my daughter, as do I ,
and unlike her siblings,
she is regularly in her UNITARIAN church,
teaching Sunday School,
and even giving occasional sermons
( her major in her non Adventist college was RELIGIOUS STUDIES )
( when the woman pastor is ill or on vacation ).
Believe it not, even these “ non Christian “ UNITARIANS honor and esteem their clergywomen, unlike the “ Christian “ Adventists who still refuse to ordain !
Unitarians I know are very good people.
Introduce your Granddaughter to
Exodus 21,22,23; Leviticus 19; Psalm 112; Isaiah 58; Micah 6:8.
which is HOW we become like God in character, and can
BE God to others.
Jesus says “Let your light shine”, “Be salt to those around you”.
Jesus says we do that through our Good Works. Working the works
Showing LOVE to God, to strangers, to neighbors, to the handicapped.
You say she is 13. At that age kids are able to begin looking “outward”
from themselves and enjoy doing so.
She may NOT become an SDA, but she can be a child of Abraham which
might actually be MORE important. At least to God.
Matthew 5:48 tells us “you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven
is perfect.” Luke 6:36 says “be merciful just as your Father in heaven is
PERFECTION is what your granddaughter’s character will develop into.
We had our children in sda schools because we had attended them and because we wanted our children to be sda. Eventually our desire for our children to receive a decent education became more important to us than merely retaining them as church members and we removed them. It was a very hard decision and one I still think about. But at the same time I feel grateful that we had a superb christian high school available to us. Once our first child started there we had a sense of relief that educationally we were in the right place.
We put our son in an episcopal middle school which divided each grade level according to math ability. He went from a two grade class room where he had to take math tests while the teacher lectured to the other grade, to one in which he was with the upper level students of his class—just 10 students in the classroom—and with a former NASA mathematician for a teacher. He was able to excel and not just in math. He was much happier in an environment where the other students enjoyed learning and where they were taught to behave well and to treat each other with politeness, attitudes which were sadly often lacking in the SDA schools.
As a junior he is in AP Calculus. I’m not sure what he will take next year; he has a number of choices. And this is a child who is not a math whiz—he is a very average math student who was given the opportunity to do better beginning in sixth grade.
Your post sums up the situation with Adventist education as I’ve observed it, too. Coming to the realization that there is such a dichotomy within Adventism over how the schools are viewed has been a surprise. The middle ground, where parents view the sda schools as useful, has shrunk to almost nothing.
I religiously sent my kids to SDA schools. In hind sight, it was not money well spent. If I had used our money to have vacations and family time together rather than working long hours to keep the bills current, it would have been a better investment.
It’s not just a state-by-state thing either. Zip codes, which is really a SES issue, matter too. In Dr. Leukert’s part of southern CA, there is a dramatic difference in the quality of education within a 35 minute drive in any direction from La Sierra University. San Bernardino unified school district is terrible in so many ways. Drive 35 minutes the other direction into Orange county and you’ll find some of the best K-12 schools in the country.
I lived in SoCal for many years. You are certainly correct. But it’s the same everywhere. Like I said, I live in a state in the top 5. But in my town are schools that are constantly threatened with closure due to low test scores. It’s a quagmire.
Adventist education is not consistent across the country and in many cases is certainly not up to the standards of many good public schools or many good private schools. And since no single test is used across the nation we cannot know what the true situation is.
Do ALL SDA elementary schools teach CURSIVE writing?
In Georgia CURSIVE writing has been DELETED from the curriculum of
the Public Schools.
Well said! Not using the same standardized test also applies to comparing US schools with those in different countries.
Private schools, in general, tend to teach cursive. This includes Adventist schools. Public schools in my state do not teach it. But my son barely learned it, even though he was taught it, because all his schools allowed kids to type a lot of their work.
Both of my children have been typing all of their homework and creative writing since before high school. They rarely even print work—just submit it online.
This used to bother me, but with all that my children face today I don’t worry about it anymore. While I value beautiful handwriting I can see that the time taken on the instruction might be better used on something else. That’s why schools have dropped it.
It’s hard for us old timers to see this art going the way of robotic technology. We remember the hours spent in school, every Friday for me, of spending time in handwriting class.
I think you said it correctly, it’s become an art form—probably not for everyone. Kind of like candle making when electricity came to every home, it will become a novelty that we appreciate.
I remember those little thin handwriting books. I loved writing cursive, but these days I rarely use it!
So true. But anecdotal evidence leads me to believe that it is possible that US schools are not very good at teaching math compared with many other countries. What about you? What have you seen?
Yes, keyboarding is the big thing.
Keyboarding has taken over any of the typing classes.
Keyboard and printer have made typewriters disappear.
One can even distance print now days with certain printers.
The only thing left is the QWERTY keyboard from the
original idea of the inventor.
Charles Thurber [aug 26, 1843] invented the typewriter to aid
his blind friend.
Christopher Latham Sholes invented the 1st commercially
successful model in 1878.
Think what these persons, Alex G. Bell with his telephone,
the early cotton gin, Edison with his light bulb, phonograph,
movie machine, Henry Ford with mass produced cars,
the Radio have done to change the world.
Madam Curie and x-rays.
We had the invention of Ether prior to the civil war. But the
local people threatened the southern doctor with bodily harm. Saying
relief of pain during painful procedures was un-biblical. So
not available during the Civil War.
Explosion of businesses associated with them.
I don’t know of any prophet who predicted them or commented
upon their uses or their futures.
George Washington Carver with his Peanuts and Sweet Potatoes
saved the southern farmers.
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