Limiting one’s Bible reading to only one translation, the KJV, is refusing to recognize that there are better translations based on documents UNAVAILABLE when the KJV authors were translating it. Anyone who “picks” the KJV is refusing to recognize the better and more accurate translations.
Adventists, when developing the doctrines, use the KJV which was the favorite and best AT THAT TIME; and are only able to prove some of the doctrines by that one translation. Some of the apocrypha was also used by EGW in her writings; books that are not found in either the KJV or the better translations. The accusation of choosing only the ONE VERSE, and ignoring all the others is exactly the method you have chosen.
@Shining
Now your saying the KJV Bible is not good for doctrine . Please be honest and just say it don’t fit your agenda .
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KJV
Num_18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father’s house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
[/quote]Numbers 18 American Standard Version (ASV)
And Jehovah said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy fathers’ house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary; and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Numbers 18 Common English Bible (CEB)
The priests’ and Levites’ duties
The Lord said to Aaron: You, your sons, and your household will bear the guilt of offenses connected with the sanctuary. You and your sons will bear the guilt of offenses connected with your priesthood.
They all seem to be saying the same thing . There’s a price to pay when in leadership.
You can deny the KJV all you want . Myself I believe it’s the Holy Bible inspired by God.
It also seems to me your saying that when God allowed The KJV translators to compose the KJV Bible that He allowed it to be misleading in it’s message . And not as Timothy said in ;2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
And if I can’t find more verses to support Timothy’s writing it’s not to be believed?
No one is even suggesting that the Bible is not inspired; so why do you make such claims?
The Bible was written by humans; it was copied by scribes and more scribes throughout the history of Christianity. Writing was invented approximately the time that was befor the Exodus but was still in cuneiform. The Bible used by Jesus and the disciples was the Septuagint–in Greek. Later translations, including Jerome who first produced it in Latin.
As the scribes made copies from copies ad infinitum through the years long before there were printing presses and the larger population was illiterate, they were also human and neither infallible nor incapable of errors, as a good student of the Bible can show many errors both in contradictions and facts.
IOW: The Bible is a human production: Neither Jehovah nor Jesus wrote it. It has become an idol for some, which is “bibliolatry”, placing the Bible as more important than the God of the Bible. There is more than sufficient guides and principles in the Bible to give us a better life than focusing on minor matters; which often happens when the important things are relegated and trivia becomes a battlefield.
THE FULL MEANING AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE E. G. WHITE STATEMENT OF 1850 IS NOT CLEARLY SEEN. IT SHOULD BE OBSERVED THAT ELLEN WHITE MAKES NO REFERENCE TO THE APOCRYPHA AT ANY TIME IN HER WRITINGS IN THE SUBSEQUENT 65 YEARS. IF WHAT WE HAVE IS A CORRECT COPY OF WHAT SHE WROTE, AND AT TIMES THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO THE ACCURACY OF SOME OF THE STATEMENTS BEARING THESE EARLY DATES, AT NO TIME SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, DID SHE HAVE OCCASION TO CALL THE ATTENTION OF THE CHURCH TO THE APOCRYPHA TO URGE ITS READING OR TO EXPLAIN ITS SIGNIFICANCE. THIS BEING THE CASE, OUR COUNSEL WOULD BE TO GIVE THE MATTER A MINIMUM OF ATTENTION. SURELY THE SILENCES IN HER PUBLISHED WRITINGS ON THIS SUBJECT CARRY SIGNIFICANCE.
ARTHUR L. WHITE
Ellen G. White Estate Washington, D. C. Release Date June 6, 1985 {15MR 67.1}
April 1, 1872 Life of Christ.–No. 2.
-By Ellen G. White.
Christ retained a perfect identity of character, although surrounded by unfavorable influences, and placed in every variety of circumstances. Nothing supernatural occurred during the first thirty years of his life at Nazareth which would attract the attention of the people to himself. The apocraphy [apocrypha] of the New Testament attempts to supply the silence of the Scriptures in reference to the early life of Christ, by giving a fancy sketch of his childhood years. These writers relate wonderful incidents and miracles, which characterized his childhood, and distinguished him from other children. They relate fictitious tales, and frivolous miracles, which they say he wrought, attributing to Christ the senseless and needless display of his divine power, and falsifying his character by attributing to him acts of revenge, and deeds of mischief, which were cruel and ridiculous. {YI, April 1, 1872 par. 1} In what marked contrast is the history of Christ, as recorded by the evangelists, which is beautiful in its natural simplicity, with these unmeaning stories, and fictitious tales. They are not at all in harmony with his character. They are more after the order of the novels that are written, which have no foundation in truth; but the characters delineated are of fancy creating. {YI, April 1, 1872 par. 2}
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No one is even suggesting that the Bible is not inspired; so why do you make such claims?
[/quote]I suppose it’s the eloquent way you speak of the KJV of the Bible (Gods Word)
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The only place in the entire NT where the doctrine of the Trinity is explicitly found is in a passage that made it into the KJV translation but it is not found in the vast majority of the Greek manuscripts of the NT. This is the most obvious instance of a theologically motivated corruption in the entire manuscript tradition of the NT
[/quote] Why do you persist in dishonest posting. You never acknowledge @Tongkam post .
***“why is @George wanting to be president of the SDA GC?”***@rlg
Come to think about it, George, can you remind me again why I have committed my vote to you for GC president? I forgot to take my Aricept the past one week.
I’m new here I don’t know you from mud which some people at this site believe they crowed out of. I only know what I read .And you did mention running for president I’m not a mine reader. I can’t help but wonder how many people EGW may have saved and how many more she would have saved if she would have been ordained . I think the numbers would be the same. God is not going to judge us by the level of office we hold He’s going the judge our hearts and by the fruit we produce .@elmer helped me out I believe it was my first day. So I don’t mind if he pokes fun at me I think ha’s a good guy. I thought I’ve been honest from the start I don’t have a lot of education .So if it’s to much for you to talk at my level then I’ll be on my way. And you can go back doing your evangelistic on collage campuses . My fathers name was Elmer and he told me ; "It’s OK to look down on someone as long as the next thing you do is pick them up.
I like your father’s name a lot, not to mention he’s given you some gems to live by.
But seriously we all are good guys, whether they be “liberal” or not. At times we get carried away but there is no reason to walk out on the conversation. Stick around, you’re doing just fine. “Worse” things have happened to “better” people, but we’re all still around.
Sorry Elmer, can’t do it right now, because I was so involved in the campaign that I forgot to take my Ativan, and now I am so excited that I can’t concentrate on the issue!!!
But, as a starter, the main goal of my campaign is to eventually eliminate the GC. And I will do it within a few week, I promise. Will put myself out of the job quickly. The good thing is that no local church will ever notice that the GC was put out of commission…
Exactly, because the existence of the GC makes absolutely no difference at the local church level. Nothing, Nada, Nic, Rien, Nichts, 無, لا شيء, ничего, niente.
Though the Conferences will certainly notice that their bank accounts no longer shrink as fast as now… This is the only “shrink” that is not likeable…
Who said anything about learning . I know my short comings . You seem to ignore post that shows you yours.
I'm sure it's my lack of understanding.
THE FULL MEANING AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE E. G. WHITE STATEMENT OF 1850 IS NOT CLEARLY SEEN. IT SHOULD BE OBSERVED THAT ELLEN WHITE MAKES NO REFERENCE TO THE APOCRYPHA AT ANY TIME IN HER WRITINGS IN THE SUBSEQUENT 65 YEARS. IF WHAT WE HAVE IS A CORRECT COPY OF WHAT SHE WROTE, AND AT TIMES THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO THE ACCURACY OF SOME OF THE STATEMENTS BEARING THESE EARLY DATES, AT NO TIME SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, DID SHE HAVE OCCASION TO CALL THE ATTENTION OF THE CHURCH TO THE APOCRYPHA TO URGE ITS READING OR TO EXPLAIN ITS SIGNIFICANCE. THIS BEING THE CASE, OUR COUNSEL WOULD BE TO GIVE THE MATTER A MINIMUM OF ATTENTION. SURELY THE SILENCES IN HER PUBLISHED WRITINGS ON THIS SUBJECT CARRY SIGNIFICANCE.
ARTHUR L. WHITE
Ellen G. White Estate Washington, D. C. Release Date June 6, 1985 {15MR 67.1}
April 1, 1872 Life of Christ.–No. 2.
-By Ellen G. White.
Christ retained a perfect identity of character, although surrounded by unfavorable influences, and placed in every variety of circumstances. Nothing supernatural occurred during the first thirty years of his life at Nazareth which would attract the attention of the people to himself. The apocraphy [apocrypha] of the New Testament attempts to supply the silence of the Scriptures in reference to the early life of Christ, by giving a fancy sketch of his childhood years. These writers relate wonderful incidents and miracles, which characterized his childhood, and distinguished him from other children. They relate fictitious tales, and frivolous miracles, which they say he wrought, attributing to Christ the senseless and needless display of his divine power, and falsifying his character by attributing to him acts of revenge, and deeds of mischief, which were cruel and ridiculous. {YI, April 1, 1872 par. 1} In what marked contrast is the history of Christ, as recorded by the evangelists, which is beautiful in its natural simplicity, with these unmeaning stories, and fictitious tales. They are not at all in harmony with his character. They are more after the order of the novels that are written, which have no foundation in truth but the characters delineated are of fancy creating. {YI, April 1, 1872 par. 2}
I suppose it’s the eloquent way you speak of the KJV of the Bible (Gods Word)
Why do you persist in dishonest posting. You never acknowledge @Tongkam post .
Perhaps this is indicative of a certain amount of desperation in the ant-women’s ordination camp, not over the issue of ordination but perhaps over a dwindling following. Some, like Bohr, have become minor celebrities by catering to the whims of those who support male headship doctrine. If ordination equality happens they may lose that celebrity status and return to insignificance unless they can find a another issue to beat the drum over, perhaps Creationism. Celebrity can carry with it a terrible temptation to continue to seek the limelight, especially if funds and resources were flowing in to support that celebrity.
Those “celebrities” should jump immediately into some other issue. Creationism would be a great one because it does not actually discriminate against people other than those who disagree with them… They could continue to discriminate against others anyway (which appears to make them feel good…) but without destroying people’s careers and blocking God’s call to women.
But they should definitely cease and desist from discriminating against women. This is really a cheap and outrageous way to maintain their supposed celebrity status.
This is certainly an oxymoron, The Celebrities in the Church… But, they feel “important” and having some “authority.” They keep massaging their EGOs by discriminating against women. And don’t feel ashamed? Mind boggling!
I know that discus urges us to answer all questions in one post but this makes for much confusion. webEd will tell you that this is not their expectation. I am not blaming you but this post is too confused to answer.
EGW spoke of just such People.
Let none entertain the thought, however, that we can dispense with organization. It has cost us much study and many prayers for wisdom that we know God has answered, to erect this structure. It has been built up by His direction, through much sacrifice and conflict. Let none of our brethren be so deceived as to attempt to tear it down, for you will thus bring in a condition of things that you do not dream of. In the name of the Lord I declare to you that it is to stand, strengthened, established, and settled. Letter 32, 1892, pp. 1, 10-12. (To the Brethren of the General Conference, December 19, 1892.)
White Estate Washington, D.C.
Which beg the question "Just how far are the supporters of WO willing to go "?
No matter your intent you’ve opened the door of direct rebellion against the SDA Church.
Jesus follows the guidance of the Father ,Where do you believe 1 Timothy 3: 1-7 came from .The teachings of ________ fill in the blank. Women are not the victims of any rule of man ,God set the structure of the church long ago. A common liberal tactic is to become a self imposed victim and holler discrimination . Your argument isn’t with man it’s with the Bible. I have even read here ( at spectrum) that the Bible was written over 2000 yr’s. ago for a people that had no respect for women .Therefor we should not accept it because it doesn’t apply to the world as it is today. My self I don’t want to be of the world today. Jesus is the only way for me and my house.
Should the burden also be on the poster to only pose one question to be answered . Instead of making comments that demand more then one answer. Have you informed your supporters of that.
discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination discrimination
Who said anything about "dispensing with organization?"
I am talking about dispensing with an office that has no significance for any local church.
Want to adventure answering this question,
Is there any one (at least one…) benefit to local churches that results from the existence of the GC?
[quote=“GeorgeTichy, post:320, topic:6168”]Want to adventure answering this question,
Is there any one (at least one…) benefit to local churches that results from the existence of the GC?
[/quote]Go ahead and answer it I’m not stopping you.
But EGW seems to think it has some benefit ,it was built up under the direction of God . Just more of our faith you and your supporters chose to ignore .
