Women Pastors Tell Their Stories

How do you know this? Can you prove it with some quote from anyone? Just because it’s not recorded does not mean it never happened.

What we certainly know is that she was given (and gladly accepted) at least 6 (SIX!) Certificates of Ordination between 1883 and 1913, and here you can see them all:

She was an ordained minister - though Kevin Paulson said these were “illegal” certificates, thus accusing the pioneers of doing something illegal in this sense.

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I copied that comment of Kevin’s so I can enlarge & frame it. :wink:

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ROFL every time I read this “reasoning.” As if a woman didn’t & doesn’t still carry the highest teaching authority in this church—officially, according to the 28 Fun Beliefs. No male has “teaching authority” to contradict EGW.

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It is so entertaining to watch as those opposed to wo twist there way throught the “logical constructs” they have created. But Somehow I just can’t follow it, or maybe I can, but the logic really leads to a different conclusion than they want.

I wonder sometime if the men who are against wo are actually scared of the potential completion.

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Your comments make me think of Poe’s Law.

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I’m going to start referring to claims about male leadership/headship as: “The Doctrine of Male Narcissism”.

It’s nothing more or less than that.

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And apparent fear of change . . .

For many it may certainly be a disguised for of paranoia, a fear to lose power and control, a constant and persistent feeling of being threatened by those women who want to use their God-given talents to advance God cause.

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In the parable of the talents, the servant with the one talent was afraid of his master and did not use his talent. (Mat 25:14-30) The servants who were not afraid used their talents. The doing nothing without an explicit command seems very similar…

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Isn’t that phenomenon also known as “demasculinization?” Formally known as “Castration anxiety.”

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Huss, as I recall was killed by the govt urged on by the church leaders.

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George, I would even say it a little different: who want to do what God has called them to do.

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Agree! Those anti-WO may not realize that they may be making such a great effort thinking it’s something honorable while it may actually be just an operation that is blocking God’s call to those women.
Who else would be also so much interested in blocking God’s call to women, huh?

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lol wow! when you lot come out, you come out together and in force :loudspeaker:

Is it possible, just possible, that those (at least some) who dont believe in W/O do so because of scripture? and not because their sexiest, fascist and close minded? Oh!..wait, and lets not forget, bigoted too lol

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IF, how does the the pay, benefits, and the work opportunities for Bible workers compared to Pastors?

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Tony, I did. I was against WO based on scripture. I was very active in my opposition. Then I started a more detailed study Just me and my Bible and my concordance and software - and found out I was wrong on everything I had believed. It didn’t happen all at once. It took years for me to accept and admit I was mistaken. Longer to find out the real structure of the church that was set up in 1901 with the encouragement of EGW and which is still in place.

I believe there are many men and women who are opposing wo with the best of intents but I think they are badly mistaken. However I have hope. Joel 2 tells me that someday things are going to be right for men and women in ministry. I am not sure but i am beginning to believe our trusting God’s call of women a prerequisite to the latter rain 'caue until then we won’t accept what He is planning to do. I pray that I live to see the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the Second Coming.

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Yes.

I fear that we are forgetting that many of the delicates attending the simplosium are actually nearing perfection. Perfection!

Perhaps that is why we here at Spectrum were literally the last people in the WORLD to hear about it?

I mean, even Kevin couldn’t be bothered to tell us!

Is this ‘The Spectrum Crowd’ bottoming out? A new low?

The door shutting?

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Well, on the other side, why should they bother inviting us?

  1. They know the proWO wouldn’t go anyway.
  2. If we showed up, there would be the danger of questions being asked, which could end up being embarrassing for them.
  3. The boys, the women discriminators, are going to have a blast at their own reserved (secretive?) party, aka symposium.

I wonder if TW was invited. If not, why not?

Let them dance their dance. They are only going to reaffirm their bias and discriminatory agenda. We all already know the content and the goals.

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There is no record of Ellen White ever having been ordained by human hands. Yet from 1871 until her death she was granted ministerial credentials by various organizations of the church. The certificate that was used read “Ordained Minister.” Several of her credential certificates from the mid 1880s are still in our possession. On the one from 1885 the word ordained is neatly struck out. On the 1887 certificate, the next one we have, it is not.

Had she been ordained in the interim? Some have argued that she had. But the question is settled definitely by her own hand. In 1909 she filled out a “Biographical Information Blank” for the General Conference records. On the blank for Item 19, which asks, “if ordained, state when, where, and by whom,” she simply inscribed an X. This is the same response she made to item 26, which asked, “If married, give date, and to whom.” In this way she indicated that she had never remarried, nor had she ever been ordained. She was not denying that God had chosen and equipped her, but she indicated that there had never been an ordination ceremony carried out for her.*

Why then do some of her credentials say “ordained minister”? The fact that “ordained” was sometimes crossed out highlights the awkwardness of giving credentials to a prophet. The church has no such special category of credentials. So it utilized what it had, giving its highest credentials without performing an ordination ceremony. In actuality, the prophet needed no human credentials. She functioned for more than 25 years prior to 1871 without any.

  • Prove All Things, pp. 279
  • Arthur L. White, “Ellen G. White the Person,” Spectrum 4, No. 2 (Spring 1972): p. 8. The Biographical Information blank is on file at the White Estate office in Washington, D.C. A photocopy is in the Document File 701 at the White Estate Branch Office, Andrews University.

We also know:

"At the age of 78 I am still toiling. We are all in the hands of the Lord. I trust in Him; for I know that He will never leave nor forsake those who put their trust in Him. I have committed myself to His keeping.{DG 252.3}
“And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry.”–RH, July 26, 1906.{DG 252.4}
“In the city of Portland the Lord ordained me as His messenger, and here my first labors were given to the cause of present truth.”–RH, May 18, 1911.{DG 252.5}
IT WILL BE RECALLED THAT ELLEN WHITE WAS GIVEN HER FIRST VISION IN DECEMBER 1844, IN PORTLAND, MAINE. SHORTLY THEREAFTER SHE WAS PROMPTED BY THE LORD TO TELL OTHERS WHAT SHE HAD SEEN.{DG 252.

WHILE LOOKING FOR THE TEXT THAT SAYS THAT egw WAS “JUST” ORDAINED BY GOD I NOTED THIS SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF ORDINATION. DON’T KNOW WHY IT TOOK US A WHOLE PAGE. DON’T KNOW WHAT PART OF THIS WE FEEL COMPELLED TO DENY WOMEN OR WHY WE WAIT SO LONG TO GIVE IT TO MEN: shining

"Before being sent forth as missionaries to the heathen world, these apostles were solemnly dedicated to God by fasting and prayer and the laying on of hands. Thus they were authorized by the church, not only to teach the truth, but to perform the rite of baptism and to organize churches, being invested with full ecclesiastical authority. {AA 160.2}

…Both Paul and Barnabas had already received their commission from God Himself, and the ceremony of the laying on of hands added no new grace or virtual qualification. It was an acknowledged form of designation to an appointed office and a recognition of one’s authority in that office. By it the seal of the church was set upon the work of God. {AA 161.2}

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