Women’s Ordination: The Truth about the Real Position of the 13 Divisions in the Seventh-day Adventist Church


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Summary

Problem: The position on Women’s Ordination (WO) by the 13 World Divisions of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is unclear. Online forums suggest that the North American Division (NAD) is often singled out as the only or the primary region in favor of WO. There are informal reports on the position of each Division, but to our knowledge, this study is unique in that it reports on a comprehensive analysis of the written presentations on WO by each Division’s Biblical Research Committees (BRC).

Methods: Content analysis and meta-synthesis of the written presentations on the subject of women’s ordination (WO) made by the 13 BRCs before the 2015 General Conference (GC) session.

Findings: The final report and numerous papers of the GC Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC) are found only in English on the website hosted by the GC Office of Archives, Research and Statistics, and do not appear to have been translated into other major languages, or widely disseminated. Of the 13 Divisions, one (1) Division, East Central Africa Division, recommended ‘not yet’ to the question of WO, which may imply willingness to accept WO. There are seven (7) Divisions that said ‘yes’ to WO or that ‘lean yes’ initially. Four (4) of these firmly and explicitly support women’s ordination: Inter-European Division, North American Division, Northern-Asia Pacific Division, and Trans European Division. Additionally, three (3) Divisions ‘lean yes’ based on the observations and comments in the presentation: Inter America, Southern Asia, and South Pacific Division. (An update to the TOSC reports: In November 2018, the South Pacific Division voted to request reconsideration of the 2015 GC vote at the next GC session.) None of the Divisions that support WO cited culture as a primary reason to do so. Conversely, there were five (5) Divisions that either said ‘no’ or ‘lean no’: Euro-Asia Division, South America Division, Southern Africa and Indian Ocean Division, Southern Asia Pacific Division, and West Central Africa Division. The one listed as ‘lean no’, Euro-Asia Division, presented biblical arguments that appear to support WO but concluded that they “discourage the practice (of ordaining women as pastors)” due to cultural factors as a key reason. Additionally, three (3) Divisions, South American Division, Southern Asia-Pacific Division and Central Africa Division, indicated they would be willing to accept WO if the world church approves. Two (2) Divisions, South America Division and Southern Africa and Indian Ocean Division, appear to have the strongest opposition to WO. However, while the South America Division staked out a position against WO, it too indicates willingness to accept WO if the world church approves. This means that 12 of 13 Divisions could be willing to accept WO either because they support WO (7) directly or because they would accept WO (5). The Southern Africa and Indian Division not only objects to WO as pastors but also proposed rescinding the possibility of women being ordained as elders.

Conclusion: Contrary to assumptions, a majority (7) of the 13 Division BRCs explicitly indicate support for WO or would not object to women’s ordination, in their written presentations to the TOSC. One (1) stated ‘not yet’ which could be assumed that they eventually would support WO. Of the five (5) that oppose WO, four (4) would be willing to accept WO if approved by the church. This is important to note because it brings to 12 the total number of Divisions that would accept WO. Surprisingly, only two (2) Divisions appear to be strongly opposed to WO in their report to TOSC, but even one of them is willing to accept WO if approved by the world church. Culture was explicitly cited by one of the Divisions, and this Division happens to ‘lean no.’ From a plain reading of the presentations, it appears as though the church is ‘paralyzed’ on the issue of WO primarily because of one (1) Division that is adamantly opposed to WO and even proposes to rescind women’s ordination for elders. This Division also appears to have been successful in arguing that flexibility in the application of WO across regions would “lead to further fragmentation, which threatens the unity of the world church” (see Appendix A).

Recommendations: 1) Church leaders should inform the church that a majority of Division BRCs are supportive of or would accept WO. 2) In recognition of this degree of support for WO, church leaders and members should acknowledge that the question of WO is not a theological or doctrinal issue but primarily an administrative concern. 3) Church leaders should make the necessary efforts to translate the GC TOSC materials and website to other major languages and host materials on official GC websites.

Introduction

Hundreds of women serve as pastors in the Seventh-day Adventist church,[1] but the denomination continues to wrestle with the issue of women’s ordination (WO). Although several study groups have examined the issue through the years, the church has never voted on the theological merits of prohibiting or approving women’s ordination for pastoral ministry.[2] Leading up to the 2015 General Conference Session, a General Conference Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC) was charged with again researching the topic of women’s ordination. In this paper, I report on a meta-synthesis of presentations on the subject of women’s ordination that were made by the 13 Biblical Research Committees (BRC) of each Division before the 2015 General Conference Session.[3]

A review of online forums and social media, particularly in Latin America, suggests that in the Inter America Division and South America Division, the North American Division (NAD) is often denounced as the only or primary region that is in favor of WO. Although there have been previous informal or anecdotal reports on the position of each of the Divisions regarding women’s ordination,[4] to my knowledge, this study is unique in that it reports on a comprehensive analysis of the actual written presentations made by the BRCs. Given the assumptions that a majority of the world church holds a specific position in regards to women ordination, the main objectives in this article are: a) to summarize or characterize for the world church the positions of the Divisions, and b) to determine whether there was a consensus among scholars of the various Biblical Research Committees, which would help inform church members whether the question of women’s ordination is doctrinal or administrative.

The 2015 General Conference Vote

Contrary to ongoing debate, the vote taken at the 2015 General Conference Session did not address the scriptural basis or theological merits (or lack thereof) of women’s ordination. The specific question asked: “Is it acceptable for division executive committees, as they may deem it appropriate in their territories, to make provision for the ordination of women to the gospel ministry? Yes or no.”[5] It is therefore clear from the plain reading of the proposal, that delegates were not asked whether they believed the Bible or writings of Ellen G. White, an authoritative figure in the church, allowed or prohibited women’s ordination.

The proposal to transfer ordination decisions to the Divisions was rejected but did not alter policies that were in effect. In fact, the President of the General Conference, recognized as much and asserted that “the ordination vote [at the 2015 GC Session] doesn’t change current policy”.[6] Consequently, Unions claim freedom to continue exercising their authority in making the determinations regarding ordination, consistent with applicable church policies.[7], [8] To date, at least two Unions in the North American Division, the Columbia Union[9] and the Pacific Union[10], have exercised this prerogative; and a third, Mid-America Union, has indicated it will vote on the issue in their 2021 constituency meeting.[11]

Although there has not been a vote to deny or approve women’s ordination based on scriptural reasons, in an effort to impede Unions from making decisions about ordination as they claim to be authorized to do per current policy, the General Conference (GC) leaders created a system to deal with those that are considered “out of compliance” and delegates to the 2018 Annual Council approved the “compliance document.”[12] The GC previously released its analysis of the limits to Union authority.[13] Supporters of the compliance document argue that: a) the 2015 vote was in fact a vote on the theological merits of women’s ordination and to deny women ordination, and b) delegates to 2015 GC Session were encouraged to study the issue for themselves.

Theology of Ordination Study Committee — TOSC Reports and Translation to Major Languages

This analysis is limited to the documentation and presentations provided by the various Division BRCs to the GC TOSC as they appear on the designated GC website. After conducting an extensive archival review, this researcher could not locate the final report of the GC Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC) translated in other major languages on the GC website.[14] In the final report (only available in English on the GC website), the TOSC reveals that approximately 67 percent of TOSC members endorsed a consensus perspective that is supportive of ordaining women as pastors (see page 12 of the TOSC report).[15] Similarly, the numerous papers that were commissioned or produced by church scholars as part of the GC TOSC do not appear to have been made available to the world church in other primary languages on the TOSC site hosted on the webpage of the General Conference.[16], [17]

Unfortunately, the GC does not appear to have ensured that the hundreds of pages of research conducted by the GC TOSC were translated to other major world languages, so that church members and delegates to the 2015 GC Session could study the issue on their own. In fact, the TOSC website was and is still only available in English. After significant investment on the TOSC, unfortunately, the articles and presentations by church scholars were not widely disseminated in other languages.

Content Analysis: Position of World Regions (Divisions) on Women’s Ordination

Leading up to the 2015 General Conference, every Division made a presentation at a meeting of the TOSC, in which they summarized the respective Division’s position on WO.[18] Was there a trend among world Divisions? To inform and educate church members, particularly those who didn’t have access to the GC TOSC materials in their language, I conducted a content analysis of the presentations made by each of the Biblical Research Committees (BRC) of each Division. Was rejecting or denying women’s ordination endorsed by a majority of the Divisions? Did Divisions report a categorical position on whether Scripture prohibits women’s ordination?

Where there was clear indication of support for women’s ordination in the written presentation, this was marked as ‘yes’ (see Table 1). If the BRC presentation did not categorically state a position, I have used the most precise language to describe the position at the time. Where there was a clear lack of support or rejection of women’s ordination, I have listed those as ‘no.’ There were a few instances in which the presentation does not state either a ‘yes’ or ‘no.’ For example, in one instance, no position was provided but the presentation concludes that there is “no Scriptural principle that would be an impediment to women ordination” (South Pacific Division).

The analysis reveals that of the 13 World Divisions, there is one (1), East Central Africa Division, that states ‘not yet’ to the question of women’s ordination. Additionally, there are seven (7) Divisions in support of women’s ordination or that would accept women’s ordination. Four (4) of these firmly and explicitly support women’s ordination. These include Inter-European Division, North American Division, Northern-Asia Pacific Division, and Trans European Division. Additionally, three (3) Divisions appear to ‘lean yes’ based on the observations and comments in the presentation. However, they are listed as ‘lean yes’ because although the content of their presentations spoke in favor of women’s ordination, the presentation does not have a direct statement in support for women’s ordination. These include Inter America, Southern Asia, and South Pacific Division. (An update to the TOSC reports: On November 14, 2018, the South Pacific Division voted to officially request to reconsider the 2015 vote at the 2020 General Conference Session.[19] This would mean that unless other Divisions have moved from yes to no, there would now be at least eight (8) Divisions (of 13) in favor of ordaining women as pastors.)

In contrast, there were five (5) Divisions that indicated “no” or “lean no” on women’s ordination, these include Euro-Asia Division, South America Division, Southern Africa and Indian Ocean Division, Southern Asia Pacific Division, and West Central Africa Division. This group includes one Division (Euro-Asia), that presented arguments that seem to support women’s ordination but decided to “discourage the practice (i.e. ordaining women as pastors)” in part because it “cannot ignore the peculiarities of the cultural environment in Euro-Asia Division, in which most people are under the influence of such religions as Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism, and the issue of women's ordination is considered to be quite painful in those religions.”

Table 1. Position of Church Divisions on Women Ordination

The case of Southern Asia-Pacific Division and the West Central Africa Division are worth noting because they describe their positions as not being in favor of women’s ordination, but indicate that if the world church approves women’s ordination, they would not object. The analysis suggests that only two (2) Division BRCs (South America Division and Southern Africa-Indian Ocean Division), are categorically and unequivocally against women’s ordination. Of these two, South America Division is willing to accept WO if approved by the world church. However, the Southern Africa and Indian Ocean Division not only objects to women’s ordination but also recommends rescinding the possibility of women being ordained as elders. This Division also argued that flexibility in the application of WO across regions would “lead to further fragmentation, which threatens the unity of the world church” (see appendix A). Based on the current debate, it is evident that the notion that flexibility across regions in regards to WO would threaten unity has prevailed.

Conclusion

The analysis of the presentations made by the Biblical Research Committees (BRCs) of 13 Divisions revealed some noteworthy findings. The obvious finding is that of 13 Divisions, seven (7) support WO, with four (4) firmly supporting and three (3) leaning towards supporting (one of these, the South Pacific Division, is now firmly in the ‘yes’ column). One (1) Division says ‘not yet.’ On the other hand, five (5) Divisions do not support WO. However, of these, four (4) indicate that they would accept women’s ordination and not object if the world church approves, and one (1) Division cites culture as the reason for not accepting WO. Only two (2) staked out strong positions against ordination, but one of these two is willing to accept WO if the world church approves.

The second conclusion is that church members should realize that after decades of studying the subject, respectable and reputable Bible scholars arrive at different conclusions. Although the integrity as researchers of the TOSC or BRCs members cannot be doubted, it is very interesting that the positions on women’s ordination coincidentally also mirrors some of the same social, cultural, religious, and political values prevalent in the respective regions.[20], [21] The obvious example is the case of the Euro-Asia Division, which specifically cites local context and culture as a reason for opposing, or at least not supporting, women’s ordination. So, although it has been said that culture is being used to inform the position of those in favor of ordination, it is also true that culture informs those who oppose ordination.

Because the work of the TOSC has not been translated or widely disseminated in other languages on the official GC website, this study will be translated to Spanish, especially for the readers in the Inter-American and South American Division. This analysis suggests that a majority of Divisions (7) support women’s ordination, but forcing their position on other regions may not be prudent. Similarly, forcing the position of five (5) Divisions on others also seems unwise. Furthermore, four (4) Divisions who do not support women’s ordination indicate that they would accept if the world church approves. The analysis suggests that 12 of 13 Divisions would be willing to accept WO, either because they plainly believe the Bible supports or does not prohibit WO, or because the world church approves of the practice. From a plain reading of the presentations, it appears as though the church is ‘paralyzed’ at the moment primarily because of one (1) Division, who has staked out strong positions against women’s ordination and even proposes to rescind the ordination of women as elders.

In regards to the second objective for this paper, church leaders must be transparent in explaining that the question of women’s ordination should no longer be treated as a doctrinal issue or a matter of a fundamental belief, and instead, should be treated as an administrative issue. The ambiguity and lack of clarity in the motion or proposal to the delegates at GC Session 2015 seems like a significant breach in parliamentarian duties and rules and could be a learning opportunity. Perhaps all motions or proposed actions at future GC Sessions should include a mandatory “proposal analysis” (the equivalent of a policy or bill analysis as used in legislative circles), provided to all delegates, which clearly informs of the status quo, that is, what happens if the motion fails, or what happens if the motion or action is carried. Also, something that has been lost in the current debate is that church leaders should carefully consider whether to insist on transferring the decision of ordination to the Divisions, or whether these decisions should remain the purview of Unions, consistent with current policies.

Ethical leadership requires encouragement of church members to study for themselves while at the same time sharing the results of decades of studies on this subject. It is likely that church members could accept that there may be differences in practices and application. Church members would also realize that it may not be necessary to have all regions doing the same when it comes to women’s ordination.

The debate about what constitutes unity is worth dissecting. Uniformity should not be confused with unity. The church already has a variety of differences in the application of policies across world regions, but that does not diminish church unity. For example, the 1989 Annual Council of the General Conference created the classification of “commissioned pastors.” However, many Divisions did not and have not implemented this provision. [22] Does it mean that the church is fragmented and there is lack of unity? The variance in application of the GC action of 1989 does not seem to have created the “lack of unity” or concerns for “compliance,” which is being used currently as an argument that it should be “all Divisions or no Divisions at all” when it comes to women’s ordination. The question could be asked, why is “unity” threatened only if women’s ordination is approved, but “unity” is not in question, if it is not approved? To require acceptance of women’s ordination on those who conclude that Scripture does not support women’s ordination would be inappropriate. Similarly, imposing a world-wide rejection of women’s ordination even on those who are convinced that Scripture supports or does not prohibit women’s ordination, is equally unconscionable. Unity is a two-way street, after all.

Appendix A

Notes & References:

[3] This review is based exclusively on the reports/presentations by the Biblical Research Committees of each Division to the GC TOSC. It is possible that each Division arranged for listening tours or presentations within their own territories. Although a search was completed, the author could not locate those presentations. In any case, if a Division had presentations in their territory, that is beyond the scope of this analysis. The focus here is on the documentation made available to the world church through the General Conference website.

[7] Authority for ordination is assigned to the union level of church governance as indicated by General Conference Working Policy L 45 05. It states, “After favorable consideration the local conference committee will submit the name of the candidate with its findings and convictions to the union for counsel and approval.”

[8] General Conference Working Policy B 60 10 states, “The world church supports nondiscrimination in employee practices and policies and upholds the principle that both men and women, without regard to race and color, shall be given full and equal opportunity within the church to develop the knowledge and skills needed for the building up of the Church.”

[13] The General Conference has prepared a document explaining its understanding of the limits of authority that Unions have on the topic of Women Ordination. The document entitled: Unions and Ordination to The Gospel Ministry: Brief Summary and Comprehensive Working Policy Explanation. Retrieved from https://www.adventistarchives.org/unions-and-ordination-statement.pdf

[14] As stated, this study only analyzed documents provided to the GC TOSC by the respective Division BRCs. It is possible, although no evidence was found of this, that Divisions are hosting their research and presentations in other websites other than the General Conference website. However, only communicating their own research to their constituencies would only provide church members with one perspective on the issue and would not educate church members on other perspectives. Hence, the need for the GC to ensure that presentations or research by the GC TOSC are available in several languages. For example, the North American Division has its own NAD TOSC report, which has been translated to Spanish, but this is not the GC TOSC report. See https://www.nadadventist.org/sites/default/files/2017-10/nad-ordination-2013.pdf

[17] The GC TOSC website only includes the position paper of one Division in both English and another primary regional language, as provided by the Euro-Asia Division.

Ed McField is a PK (Pastors Kid), son of missionaries who served in Inter-American Division for over 30 years. He has worked and lived in several countries throughout Latin America and the Caribbean. He consults on healthcare administration and conducts research on social and public policy, culture, and health, with a focus on vulnerable populations. He is an active church member.

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This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at http://spectrummagazine.org/node/9246

(Ian m fraser) #2

How about a mail in secret ballot from every member after a special edition of Adventit World publishes a summary of the TOSC report. The GC IN SESSION WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE RESULTS OF THIS BALLOT. PROBLEM SOLVED😊


(Carlo Schroeder) #3

Great article, very informative. I would just like to see the entire SID report, and compare to the Thesis of brother Ram…

Also, the GC has not been authorised to ordain individuals, which begs the question, who has ever heard a institution banning something they can’t do itself. Secondly their constitutency is not the same of those of union or conference, which again raises the question, are they implying that they are over freedom of choice.


(Paul Kevin Wells) #4

Would Spectrum Magazine be interested in taking the lead to publish the relevant documents in more languages?


(Laban) #5

At the rate the WO issue is going, it’s only a matter of time until it’s voted, however the spirituality of the church is going on a fast decline.


#6

Thank you for putting the time into this! For those that want a complete picture and the facts
what a blessing! Thanks again, you made my day.


(Joselito Coo) #7

I respectfully disagree that the biblical/theological basis of WO was not addressed in the motion that was put before the GC session delegates.

Clearly, as far as the 15 committee members of Southern Asia Pacific Division BRCTOSC were concerned, their votes reflected answers to questionnaires in relation to their understanding of Scriptural and Ellen White support or lack of the same for WO. However, I’m not aware the discussion reached beyond the walls of the division headquarters. It seemed more like a closed door meeting with the utmost secrecy being observed.

How was the vote understood by ordinary church members? What did it mean to them? Not what Compliance and GC Executive Committee members want us to believe after the fact. I suggest a person-sitting-in-the-pew test.


(William Noel) #8

Has someone told Ted Wilson about this?


(Andreas Bochmann) #11

Thank you for revisiting this topic in such thorough manner. The findings themselves are neither new nor spectacular. Over decades the only argument against WO had been a cultural one only. The divisions in their BRCs were far more unified than expected (EUD probably is one of the most diverse divisions - but had a unanimous vote in favour)… TOSC - even though heavily weighted with powerful non-theologians known to entertain strong opposition - had a clear majority for allowing WO in regions where it would be deemed appropriate.

What is spectecular, even outrageous is the amount of misinformation coming from official news sources at highest level. And no, it would be an insult to the intelligence of the producers to believe, this is just an accident or a misunderstanding. We are being mislead.

Educate, educate, educate.


(Dan Springer) #12

Thank you Spectrum, for this concise, factual discussion of a very emotional issue! Truth’s illumination will always drive the darkness of error out of our lives!


(Peter Marks) #13

@EdMc

In the main I consider this paper extremely helpful!

The South Pacific Division Year End Meetings voted "to request the GC to reconsider the recommendations made last quinquennium by the divisions’ Biblical Research Committees, the TOSC committee, and to review the GC Session 1990 action referring to women’s ordination for its context and its relevance to the missional needs of the church at this time, and further, and that in the context of the above items, and specifically in relation to FB # 6,7,14 and 17, to request the GC to place on the GC 2020 Session agenda an action item on the ordination of women in light of the missional needs of some areas of the world church."

Ed, you have just made any GC reconsideration of the recommendations made in November 2013 by the divisions’ BRC’s a whole lot easier. Thank-you for that!! Yet I would suggest that these papers and the concluding recommendations attached to each need to be trawled through with a very fine toothed comb.

In one or two areas Ed could have more adequately reflected the stance of the Divisions. I say this having reflected on many of these reports and having had two articles published on this blog site in 2014. I had particularly commented on the stance of the East-Central Africa Division Report along with that of the Trans-European Division.

NB It concerns me that while the various Division Presentation and summary papers are available with the other TOSC papers on the ASTR website the longer more comprehensive papers produced by each Division no longer appear on the ASTR website.

The Central Recommendation of the East Central Africa Division BRC was “NO, NOT YET.” They clearly envision that a new paradigm of ministry and ordination may yet be implemented in the Adventist communion. The necessary creation of this is a very valid reason for the requested delay. They explain their decision well as follows:

“ECD BRC still sees no light in ordaining women as pastors under the current praxis of understanding and practicing ordination. Our Committee decision is not conclusive and members are urging further studies until the Church is convinced that ordaining under current modalities is biblical.” (p.14).

The real surprise for me is that for the ECD BRC the cultural dimensions of ordination are in large focus.

The ECD Report makes 4 assertions:

  1. "Different modalities need to be urgently developed and implemented in the Church’s praxis so that no servant of God … feel[s] unappreciated and undervalued by the Church.(p.14). Creativity in the development of culturally sensitive practices of appointment to leadership are recommended because “the God of Israel did not bypass cultural norms when he communicated important messages.” (p. 19).

  2. “Ordination” presently carries unhealthy nuances which need undoing in order to facilitate servant leadership for the Adventist Church. (p.14). These unhealthy nuances are named elsewhere in the document:

  • “Notions of hierarchy and patriarchy” (p.19).
  • “A concept and practice of ordination such that it perpetuates the notion of male domination in the church.” (p.19).
  • “The traditional African worldview where ordination is a male ‘spiritual rite of passage’.” (p.19)
  • “The traditional understanding that male/ female roles are fixed.” (p.20).
  • “The person who has been set apart considers himself/ herself as superior or better, and therefore endowed with magical powers.” (p.20).
  1. The differing views on interpreting Scripture, and especially passages on headship as clearly taught, have left the two sides of the debate … engaging in what might be considered “dialogue of the deaf” or “selective inattention whereby human beings hear what they want to hear.” (p.11). Thus, they in their own context make a strong call for more study of the issues before GC 2015. [Remember this call was made in November 2013 and reported to TOSC in January 2014].

4. Their greatest desire was for a “theologically intelligent and responsible church” and this will undoubtedly involve information sharing “down to the grassroots.” “It will be counterproductive for the Remnant Church’s delegates at San Antonio General Conference Session to cast their vote for or against women’s ordination if they do not have adequate information.” (p.15).

[In “An Open Letter To the GC Officers Concerning Ordination” published on this blogsite and dated 06/12/2014 I plead with the GC to make provision for this education process. I warned that as the ECD BRC had concluded the 2015 GC vote would be counterproductive otherwise. And so it has proved. Thankfully, you Ed are making a similar call now].

Ed, I think you have misunderstood the stance of the South Pacific Division big time. The SPD BRC Secretary invited me to submit a paper for the BRC. I am very familiar with all the papers which were published a few days before the 2015GC Session began in the book South Pacific Perspectives on Ordination. Plus the fact that the SPD President at the time, Dr Barry Oliver, a TOSC member wrote a summary paper on “Moving Ahead in Unity.” Please look again. THe SPD do not merit being placed in the ‘Leaning Yes’ column as far as WO is concerned. Their resolve has always been firmly, ‘Yes’ we should ordain women; and just as firmly to cooperate in making a global decision about it.

Ed, please write to me personally thru my Gmail. petersomerset@g…


(Yvonne Stratton) #14

Actually the General Conference does issue ordination credentials for GC officers, Division officers and appropriate employees of GC Universities - Andrews and Loma Linda.


(Carlo Schroeder) #15

The question is, can the GC ordain someone? Because issuing a paper anyone can do.
Division official and “appropriate” employees, are GC workers. Sorry, but “appropriate” employees sounds like there are “non appropriate” employees.


(Carlo Schroeder) #16

I was having a conversation with a church worker, and they mentioned that some women don’t get a pension plan when they get employed by the church, they might qualify after two or three years or never- package with no benefits. While men are immediately put onto the pension plan.


(George Tichy) #17

Are you by any chance correlating WO and Spiritual Decline of the Church?


(George Tichy) #18

Noooooooooooooooo!!! :wink:


(George Tichy) #19

If that is not also discrimination of women, what is???


(reliquum) #20

How convenient!
What is the history of this process?
Was it properly instituted-or is the GC out of compliance with this perhaps conflict of interest practice and is it counter to accepted church documents regarding said policies?


(Carlo Schroeder) #21

So how or when did this policy change, " Authority for ordination is assigned to the union level of church governance as indicated by General Conference Working Policy L 45 05. It states, “After favorable consideration the local conference committee will submit the name of the candidate with its findings and convictions to the union for counsel and approval.”


(Edward McField) #23

@petersomerset

Thanks, Peter Marks (and everyone). I appreciate the feedback.

I should add that although the content of the article may not be surprising for some regulars on Spectrum, there is a segment of the world church with a completely distorted perspective and likely believe that NAD (and liberal Europe, etc.) are the only ones supporting WO.

I am blessed to be able to communicate in Dutch, French, English, Spanish, and read Portuguese, and I can confirm that there is a significant lack of information. Spectrum is commended for publishing the articles in Spanish also so that others in Latin America can have sources that can be cited/referenced. I really encourage you to share/disseminate articles such as these because one of your friends, even if they don’t speak Spanish, may have a bilingual friend, who then re-shares the article (or potentially searches for the article in Spanish).

Again, I appreciate everyone’s feedback.